Drones
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Sounds cool, but my question is what have you got it for... (I know I suffer from the cool I want to play with one of those syndrome, but I always have an idea of a use it can be put to). If you live near an airport or airfield be very careful, if not try to avoid heavily built up areas. As Griff says avoid VB like the plague! go and build something cool.
Gatwick, Biggin Hill. Shouldn't be a problem. Why? Because a computer controlled flying thing is awesome. I'd dearly love to ditch the radio control and have it fully autonomous. Also, the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it and make people think the aliens have arrived.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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DaveAuld wrote:
Flying in a field or park with nobody around or lightly populated areas, don't see the point. You aren't going to get high enough to worry planes.
That may be true however I wouldn't skip insurance. e.g. I haven't had an accident in 10+ years so why bother paying for car insurance?
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Gatwick, Biggin Hill. Shouldn't be a problem. Why? Because a computer controlled flying thing is awesome. I'd dearly love to ditch the radio control and have it fully autonomous. Also, the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it and make people think the aliens have arrived.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I must admit the thought of something flying around that I had coded fully autonomously is cool... also put a paint ball gun on and straff the locals... Hmmmm... :-D
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So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Rob Philpott wrote:
for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it
what do you use that for ?
Ah well, that's the 'flight computer' it takes PCM data from the remote receiver, GPS data from the GPS, distance data from the ultrasonics, inertial data from the 'IMU' (tilt, acceleration and rotation) and continually in real time sends out 6 control signals to the motors. I haven't figured the logic out yet. 3 motors spin one way, the other 3 the other. Slow one set and the thing rotates, increase the one's at the back and it tilts and moves forward, overall power takes you up and down. These are my *assumptions* - hence the danger of low altitude decapitation until I get my coefficients correct.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Why thank you very much. It's designed for heavy loads.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Why thank you very much. It's designed for heavy loads.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
It's designed for heavy loads.
Like the batteries it's gonna have to carry? :omg:
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Yep, Got an X-Aircraft X650, (First big crash video: here[^]) You can get RC aircraft liability insurance via some of the flying clubs. It is recommended if you are planning to fly in public areas. Flying in a field or park with nobody around or lightly populated areas, don't see the point. You aren't going to get high enough to worry planes. You could always program a ceiling limit or a loss of comms fly back to home.
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Well that's my thinking, in a remote area the chances of actually hitting anything are slim. Video will have to wait to tonight - no youtube here :( Indeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief, but what if the board crashes? Need to check the specs but I think the PCM signals are hardware generated and hence there's a danger of the instantaneous power becoming a continuous power and dreadful things happening.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Ah well, that's the 'flight computer' it takes PCM data from the remote receiver, GPS data from the GPS, distance data from the ultrasonics, inertial data from the 'IMU' (tilt, acceleration and rotation) and continually in real time sends out 6 control signals to the motors. I haven't figured the logic out yet. 3 motors spin one way, the other 3 the other. Slow one set and the thing rotates, increase the one's at the back and it tilts and moves forward, overall power takes you up and down. These are my *assumptions* - hence the danger of low altitude decapitation until I get my coefficients correct.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
:cool: I guess with all of that you need a flight computer - I remember the days of 1 motor and a few servos (planes), primitive by comparison but fun all the same have fun Rob 'g'
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Rob Philpott wrote:
It's designed for heavy loads.
Like the batteries it's gonna have to carry? :omg:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Yes, that as well. Ah, the lithium polymer. People bang on about how Apple 'invented' the smartphone but the enablers were low power CPUs and a new generation of battery, really. Actually I read somewhere that a LiPo volume for volume can contain about 1/4 of the energy of petrol. That's pretty cool. They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Simplest solution is to attach a label of some sort - "If found, please return to "
We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.
And on the other side "If decapitated, please return to " with a different address.
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Yes, that as well. Ah, the lithium polymer. People bang on about how Apple 'invented' the smartphone but the enablers were low power CPUs and a new generation of battery, really. Actually I read somewhere that a LiPo volume for volume can contain about 1/4 of the energy of petrol. That's pretty cool. They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives make billions of dollars a year for the tobacco companies.
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/tobacco-companies-move-into-e-cigarette-business/[^]
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That is different. For one Car insurance is a legal requirement.
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Rob Philpott wrote:
They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives make billions of dollars a year for the tobacco companies.
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/tobacco-companies-move-into-e-cigarette-business/[^]
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Very, very cynical. It's terrible news for tobacco companies, and of course they'll want to get their market share. But they will be playing catch up for a long time.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Very, very cynical. It's terrible news for tobacco companies, and of course they'll want to get their market share. But they will be playing catch up for a long time.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
Very, very cynical.
"Follow the money" The tobacco companies have had a stranglehold on anti-smoking legislation for decades to protect their (obscene) profits, and they have fought tooth an nail to prevent the changes over the last few years. I think that diverted their attention from e-cigarettes, and they were caught on the wrong foot but they won't take long to be the big market players: they can see the writing on the wall with the current situation. Me, I'm just damn glad I gave up ten years ago...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Mount an M249 Saw on it, everybody sayin something against flying gets fired :-D
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Well that's my thinking, in a remote area the chances of actually hitting anything are slim. Video will have to wait to tonight - no youtube here :( Indeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief, but what if the board crashes? Need to check the specs but I think the PCM signals are hardware generated and hence there's a danger of the instantaneous power becoming a continuous power and dreadful things happening.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
ndeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief
And make sure the latitude and longitude are properly set for your craft. An uninitialized latitude and longitude of 0', 0' is off the coast of Africa
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Gatwick, Biggin Hill. Shouldn't be a problem. Why? Because a computer controlled flying thing is awesome. I'd dearly love to ditch the radio control and have it fully autonomous. Also, the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it and make people think the aliens have arrived.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it...
Now you're thinking! Add a Tesla Coil and set the machine loose flying autonomously! I am not suggesting this ( ;) ;) ), but it seems like a good idea would be to not start the initial flight from your hometown, and set the emergency return point to also be in a different location, except off the coast of Africa. I'm glad that I don't have a mischievous side.
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Well that's my thinking, in a remote area the chances of actually hitting anything are slim. Video will have to wait to tonight - no youtube here :( Indeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief, but what if the board crashes? Need to check the specs but I think the PCM signals are hardware generated and hence there's a danger of the instantaneous power becoming a continuous power and dreadful things happening.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I suppose you'd just use the watchdog timer. If it crashes, the timer isn't reset and thus reaches zero. At this point, the board can be reset. See here: http://www.megunolink.com/how-to-detect-lockups-using-the-arduino-watchdog/[^] Also, probably worth checking out the source code for the Multi-wii multi-rotor control software that works with the Arduino Mega and others. http://www.multiwii.com/[^] https://code.google.com/p/multiwii/[^] If you're going to write the firmware for radio(transmitter unit, _not_ the module) also, there's a bunch of different projects that can be flashed to commercial sets like the (~$53, 2km range) 9ch Turnigy 9x and other cheap diamonds. http://www.os-rc.com/en/[^] Finally you can go really crazy and check out this thread http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1916558[^] for a bloke that's made a 4ch multi-copter controller that's just 190mg and 8x10mm!!
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