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  • D DaveAuld

    Yep, Got an X-Aircraft X650, (First big crash video: here[^]) You can get RC aircraft liability insurance via some of the flying clubs. It is recommended if you are planning to fly in public areas. Flying in a field or park with nobody around or lightly populated areas, don't see the point. You aren't going to get high enough to worry planes. You could always program a ceiling limit or a loss of comms fly back to home.

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    Rob Philpott
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    Well that's my thinking, in a remote area the chances of actually hitting anything are slim. Video will have to wait to tonight - no youtube here :( Indeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief, but what if the board crashes? Need to check the specs but I think the PCM signals are hardware generated and hence there's a danger of the instantaneous power becoming a continuous power and dreadful things happening.

    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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      Ah well, that's the 'flight computer' it takes PCM data from the remote receiver, GPS data from the GPS, distance data from the ultrasonics, inertial data from the 'IMU' (tilt, acceleration and rotation) and continually in real time sends out 6 control signals to the motors. I haven't figured the logic out yet. 3 motors spin one way, the other 3 the other. Slow one set and the thing rotates, increase the one's at the back and it tilts and moves forward, overall power takes you up and down. These are my *assumptions* - hence the danger of low altitude decapitation until I get my coefficients correct.

      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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      Garth J Lancaster
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      :cool: I guess with all of that you need a flight computer - I remember the days of 1 motor and a few servos (planes), primitive by comparison but fun all the same have fun Rob 'g'

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        Rob Philpott wrote:

        It's designed for heavy loads.

        Like the batteries it's gonna have to carry? :omg:

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        Yes, that as well. Ah, the lithium polymer. People bang on about how Apple 'invented' the smartphone but the enablers were low power CPUs and a new generation of battery, really. Actually I read somewhere that a LiPo volume for volume can contain about 1/4 of the energy of petrol. That's pretty cool. They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives.

        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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          So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.

          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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          Simplest solution is to attach a label of some sort - "If found, please return to "

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            Simplest solution is to attach a label of some sort - "If found, please return to "

            We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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            And on the other side "If decapitated, please return to " with a different address.

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            • R Rob Philpott

              Yes, that as well. Ah, the lithium polymer. People bang on about how Apple 'invented' the smartphone but the enablers were low power CPUs and a new generation of battery, really. Actually I read somewhere that a LiPo volume for volume can contain about 1/4 of the energy of petrol. That's pretty cool. They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives.

              Regards, Rob Philpott.

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              Rob Philpott wrote:

              They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives make billions of dollars a year for the tobacco companies.

              http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/tobacco-companies-move-into-e-cigarette-business/[^]

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              • D DaveAuld

                That is different. For one Car insurance is a legal requirement.

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                I can see the same thing happening with these "toys" too. I would prefer compulsory club membership and insurance over a total ban on model flying or new laws regarding their use. I do belong to a couple of clubs and have BMFA membership/insurance.

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                  Rob Philpott wrote:

                  They also enable the rather wonderful e-cigarette too which could, if they let it, save millions of lives make billions of dollars a year for the tobacco companies.

                  http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/tobacco-companies-move-into-e-cigarette-business/[^]

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                  Very, very cynical. It's terrible news for tobacco companies, and of course they'll want to get their market share. But they will be playing catch up for a long time.

                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                    Very, very cynical. It's terrible news for tobacco companies, and of course they'll want to get their market share. But they will be playing catch up for a long time.

                    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                    OriginalGriff
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                    Rob Philpott wrote:

                    Very, very cynical.

                    "Follow the money" The tobacco companies have had a stranglehold on anti-smoking legislation for decades to protect their (obscene) profits, and they have fought tooth an nail to prevent the changes over the last few years. I think that diverted their attention from e-cigarettes, and they were caught on the wrong foot but they won't take long to be the big market players: they can see the writing on the wall with the current situation. Me, I'm just damn glad I gave up ten years ago...

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                    • R Rob Philpott

                      So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.

                      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                      Mount an M249 Saw on it, everybody sayin something against flying gets fired :-D

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                      • R Rob Philpott

                        Well that's my thinking, in a remote area the chances of actually hitting anything are slim. Video will have to wait to tonight - no youtube here :( Indeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief, but what if the board crashes? Need to check the specs but I think the PCM signals are hardware generated and hence there's a danger of the instantaneous power becoming a continuous power and dreadful things happening.

                        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                        Paul M Watt
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                        Rob Philpott wrote:

                        ndeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief

                        And make sure the latitude and longitude are properly set for your craft. An uninitialized latitude and longitude of 0', 0' is off the coast of Africa

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                        • R Rob Philpott

                          Gatwick, Biggin Hill. Shouldn't be a problem. Why? Because a computer controlled flying thing is awesome. I'd dearly love to ditch the radio control and have it fully autonomous. Also, the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it and make people think the aliens have arrived.

                          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                          Paul M Watt
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                          Rob Philpott wrote:

                          the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it...

                          Now you're thinking! Add a Tesla Coil and set the machine loose flying autonomously! I am not suggesting this ( ;) ;) ), but it seems like a good idea would be to not start the initial flight from your hometown, and set the emergency return point to also be in a different location, except off the coast of Africa. I'm glad that I don't have a mischievous side.

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                            Well that's my thinking, in a remote area the chances of actually hitting anything are slim. Video will have to wait to tonight - no youtube here :( Indeed, fly home and height limiting are in the brief, but what if the board crashes? Need to check the specs but I think the PCM signals are hardware generated and hence there's a danger of the instantaneous power becoming a continuous power and dreadful things happening.

                            Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                            I suppose you'd just use the watchdog timer. If it crashes, the timer isn't reset and thus reaches zero. At this point, the board can be reset. See here: http://www.megunolink.com/how-to-detect-lockups-using-the-arduino-watchdog/[^] Also, probably worth checking out the source code for the Multi-wii multi-rotor control software that works with the Arduino Mega and others. http://www.multiwii.com/[^] https://code.google.com/p/multiwii/[^] If you're going to write the firmware for radio(transmitter unit, _not_ the module) also, there's a bunch of different projects that can be flashed to commercial sets like the (~$53, 2km range) 9ch Turnigy 9x and other cheap diamonds. http://www.os-rc.com/en/[^] Finally you can go really crazy and check out this thread http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1916558[^] for a bloke that's made a 4ch multi-copter controller that's just 190mg and 8x10mm!!

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                              Gatwick, Biggin Hill. Shouldn't be a problem. Why? Because a computer controlled flying thing is awesome. I'd dearly love to ditch the radio control and have it fully autonomous. Also, the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it and make people think the aliens have arrived.

                              Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                              Rob Philpott wrote:

                              Also, the more mischievous side of me would like to put weird lighting all over it and make people think the aliens have arrived.

                              Something like this: http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2013/03/psychedelic-plasma-wings.html[^] Or, if you're really up for mischief, something like this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth[^]

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                              • R Rob Philpott

                                So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.

                                Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                Ooops! When I read the word "DRONES" I thought it was a thread about iPhone owners.

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                                  So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.

                                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                  Rob Philpott wrote:

                                  Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool.

                                  Go for it!

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                                    So does anyone here own a quadcopter or hexicopter - a 'drone'? My hexicopter frame arrived this morning, so all I need to do now is add motors, motor controllers, RC stuff, batteries and write some software for the Arduino Mega board I've got for it. I've already got the GPS module and ultrasonic ground detector. All good classic nerd stuff. But I do have a concern in my head, what if I lose control and it takes out a 747, or falls out the sky and kills a badger or something? Not helped by an article in today's paper about the first prosecution going through the UK courts. There's also this: http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements[^] So a risk evaluation is in order. Whichever way you cut it, 6 350W bladed motors hurtling around on the whim of some half-arsed coding could have consequences. I don't want to end up in Court charged with not writing unit tests. Alternatively perhaps I should throw caution to the wind, ignore the nanny state and make something cool. Thoughts/experiences welcome.

                                    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                    I stick to traditional helicopters. One main rotor and a tail rotor are enough. At the moment I fly my old Blade 450 3D and am getting a T-rex 450 Sport to fly with an Airwolf body. Here is one of the first shaky air pictures from the Blade 450: http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2mpcrh1&s=8#.VBsZjJ3wC70[^] Before you cause some grief: have you learned to fly yet?

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                                      Mount an M249 Saw on it, everybody sayin something against flying gets fired :-D

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                                      I will bring along Heli von Richthofen and then we will duke that out in the air.

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                                        And on the other side "If decapitated, please return to " with a different address.

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                                        The address of someone you really really don't like, of course.

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                                        • D DaveAuld

                                          That is different. For one Car insurance is a legal requirement.

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                                          So an unlimited liability is only worth insuring against if it is a legal requirement?

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