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  • M Mike Hankey

    Brains of older people are slow because they know so much. People do not decline mentally with age, it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information stored in their brains, scientists believe. Much like a computer struggles as the hard drive becomes more full, so humans also take longer to access information, it has been suggested. Researchers say this slowing down is not the same as cognitive decline. The human brain works slower in old age, said Dr.. Michael Ramscar, but only because we have stored more information over time. The brains of older people do not get weak. On the contrary, they simply know more, but just may not be able to access the information.. Also, older people often go to another room to get something and when they get there, they stand there wondering what they came for. It is NOT a memory problem, it is nature's way of making older people do more exercise.

    New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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    PhilLenoir
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    Great, I can use that instead of "geezer moment"! I think that the wandering room-to-room thing is an "Out of Memory" problem while my background processes try to compact and free up by deleting useless information. Unfortunately, these processes are buggy as I swear my head is full of useless crap. I should switch to an Apple OS so everything gets dumped with every upgrade (useful or not!)

    Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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    • R Roger Wright

      Haven't any of these overpaid, overstuffed researchers ever read any Heinlein. In Methuselah's Children, Lazarus Long posed the same question to his much younger (and smarter) friend, Andrew Jackson "Slipstick" Libby, Andy explained it as simple as you like. We experience events linearly as time goes on, but our brains correlate each event with the accumulated total of all other events in a geometric fashion. Accumulation of experiences progresses linearly, but the storage required and effort needed to retrieve the memory and all its associated memories grows exponentially. Unfortunately, the book ended before Andy published a solution to the problem, which he claimed was definitely solvable.

      Will Rogers never met me.

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      patbob
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      Roger Wright wrote:

      Accumulation of experiences progresses linearly, but the storage required and effort needed to retrieve the memory and all its associated memories grows exponentially.

      Which is why our brains do compression -- they find memories with a common pattern and condense them.. sort of like doing a Lempel-Ziv pass. Oh, and it runs while you sleep.

      d@nish wrote:

      We need indexing service

      Its so good, you don't even realize it's there.. just ask a friend who's had a major seizure or amnesia. Sometimes one of the indexes gets partially lost and chunks of memory become inaccessible until they're reconnected via access through another index.

      We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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      • P PhilLenoir

        Great, I can use that instead of "geezer moment"! I think that the wandering room-to-room thing is an "Out of Memory" problem while my background processes try to compact and free up by deleting useless information. Unfortunately, these processes are buggy as I swear my head is full of useless crap. I should switch to an Apple OS so everything gets dumped with every upgrade (useful or not!)

        Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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        Mike Hankey
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        PhilLenoir wrote:

        I think that the wandering room-to-room thing is an "Out of Memory" problem while my background processes try to compact and free up by deleting useless information. Unfortunately, these processes are buggy as I swear my head is full of useless crap. I should switch to an Apple OS so everything gets dumped with every upgrade (useful or not!)

        Garbage Collection? :)

        New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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        • M Mike Hankey

          PhilLenoir wrote:

          I think that the wandering room-to-room thing is an "Out of Memory" problem while my background processes try to compact and free up by deleting useless information. Unfortunately, these processes are buggy as I swear my head is full of useless crap. I should switch to an Apple OS so everything gets dumped with every upgrade (useful or not!)

          Garbage Collection? :)

          New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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          PhilLenoir
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          Sorry, I couldn't remember what it was called! :P

          Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Mike Hankey wrote:

            it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information stored in their brains

            There have been times when I have felt so overwhelmed with memories that I wish I could remove them and completely forget. I think the emotional memories are the most difficult to deal with, and I have a better understanding now of the expression that death would be welcome. I think it's something that few of the futurists/technologists understand, that at some point, you just want to turn off rather than keep living on and on, acquiring more and more memories. Emotional memories is also something that I don't think neurobiologists (or even psychologists) understand or appreciate, how crippling they can be, and we all do acquire them. While I know people that seem to live in a constant state of bliss, seemingly only remembering the positive emotional places, I for one am not one of those people and must consciously redirect my recollection of past events toward positive events to balance out the negative ones. Hmmm...that wandered a bit OT, what were we discussing? ;) Marc

            Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

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            Mike Hankey
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            I'm with you death is more welcome the older I get. I've had a long hard life, I've lived it to the fullest but there is a lot of bad stuff that has happened to me and depression is an unwelcome part of my life. There are times when I've said that I've had enough but something has driven me to go on.

            New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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            • M Mike Hankey

              Brains of older people are slow because they know so much. People do not decline mentally with age, it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information stored in their brains, scientists believe. Much like a computer struggles as the hard drive becomes more full, so humans also take longer to access information, it has been suggested. Researchers say this slowing down is not the same as cognitive decline. The human brain works slower in old age, said Dr.. Michael Ramscar, but only because we have stored more information over time. The brains of older people do not get weak. On the contrary, they simply know more, but just may not be able to access the information.. Also, older people often go to another room to get something and when they get there, they stand there wondering what they came for. It is NOT a memory problem, it is nature's way of making older people do more exercise.

              New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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              As I've gotten older, my short term memory has suffered. However, my ability to not give a shit has increased.

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                As I've gotten older, my short term memory has suffered. However, my ability to not give a shit has increased.

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                Mike Hankey
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                Joe Woodbury wrote:

                As I've gotten older, my short term memory has suffered. However, my ability to not give a sh*t has increased.

                Some call it apathy I call it sorting out what's important and what's not.

                New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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                • M Mike Hankey

                  Brains of older people are slow because they know so much. People do not decline mentally with age, it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information stored in their brains, scientists believe. Much like a computer struggles as the hard drive becomes more full, so humans also take longer to access information, it has been suggested. Researchers say this slowing down is not the same as cognitive decline. The human brain works slower in old age, said Dr.. Michael Ramscar, but only because we have stored more information over time. The brains of older people do not get weak. On the contrary, they simply know more, but just may not be able to access the information.. Also, older people often go to another room to get something and when they get there, they stand there wondering what they came for. It is NOT a memory problem, it is nature's way of making older people do more exercise.

                  New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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                  Lilith C
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                  Shades of Johnny Mnemonic. So, do I need to dump the old storage to free up cache for the more frequently accessed data or do I need to buy some auxiliary memory for offloading?

                  I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office

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                  • R Roger Wright

                    Haven't any of these overpaid, overstuffed researchers ever read any Heinlein. In Methuselah's Children, Lazarus Long posed the same question to his much younger (and smarter) friend, Andrew Jackson "Slipstick" Libby, Andy explained it as simple as you like. We experience events linearly as time goes on, but our brains correlate each event with the accumulated total of all other events in a geometric fashion. Accumulation of experiences progresses linearly, but the storage required and effort needed to retrieve the memory and all its associated memories grows exponentially. Unfortunately, the book ended before Andy published a solution to the problem, which he claimed was definitely solvable.

                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                    Lilith C
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                    Didn't Lazarus mention something in a subsequent story, maybe "Time Enough for Love," that he was using a method of tiering his memories. I wonder how someone consciously does that and how you master the technique.

                    I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office

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                      Shades of Johnny Mnemonic. So, do I need to dump the old storage to free up cache for the more frequently accessed data or do I need to buy some auxiliary memory for offloading?

                      I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office

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                      Mike Hankey
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                      I've heard an SSD is fast and larger sizes are introduced regularly! :)

                      New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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                      • M Mike Hankey

                        Brains of older people are slow because they know so much. People do not decline mentally with age, it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information stored in their brains, scientists believe. Much like a computer struggles as the hard drive becomes more full, so humans also take longer to access information, it has been suggested. Researchers say this slowing down is not the same as cognitive decline. The human brain works slower in old age, said Dr.. Michael Ramscar, but only because we have stored more information over time. The brains of older people do not get weak. On the contrary, they simply know more, but just may not be able to access the information.. Also, older people often go to another room to get something and when they get there, they stand there wondering what they came for. It is NOT a memory problem, it is nature's way of making older people do more exercise.

                        New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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                        Peter Pyc
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                        If that is the reason for cognitive decline, I may be at an advantage as I get older. My brain is far from full because I suffer from a family malady called CRAFT. It stands for Can't Remember A F'ing Thing! ;)

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                          If that is the reason for cognitive decline, I may be at an advantage as I get older. My brain is far from full because I suffer from a family malady called CRAFT. It stands for Can't Remember A F'ing Thing! ;)

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                          Mike Hankey
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                          I knew it as CRS (Can't remember shit) but like your version better.

                          New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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                          • M Mike Hankey

                            Brains of older people are slow because they know so much. People do not decline mentally with age, it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information stored in their brains, scientists believe. Much like a computer struggles as the hard drive becomes more full, so humans also take longer to access information, it has been suggested. Researchers say this slowing down is not the same as cognitive decline. The human brain works slower in old age, said Dr.. Michael Ramscar, but only because we have stored more information over time. The brains of older people do not get weak. On the contrary, they simply know more, but just may not be able to access the information.. Also, older people often go to another room to get something and when they get there, they stand there wondering what they came for. It is NOT a memory problem, it is nature's way of making older people do more exercise.

                            New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!

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                            Plamen Dragiyski
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                            Unfortunately the brain is not fully recursive NN. More pathways appear as they are needed. So the more you used it, the more you get to fully recursive, so the lesson is use your brain more. P.S. That doesn't mean to store more information. You can keep CPU at 100% usage without using any memory.

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                            • L Lilith C

                              Didn't Lazarus mention something in a subsequent story, maybe "Time Enough for Love," that he was using a method of tiering his memories. I wonder how someone consciously does that and how you master the technique.

                              I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office

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                              Roger Wright
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                              I believe that you're right. Now I'm going to have to dig that one out and reread it again. I'll let you know when I master the technique, if I remember... ;)

                              Will Rogers never met me.

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                              • G Gary Wheeler

                                Another old codger who remembers the classics. Thanks, Roger :-D.

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                                Roger Wright
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                                Anytime, Gary. I'll be happy to be your surrogate memory in your dotage. ;P

                                Will Rogers never met me.

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                                • L Lilith C

                                  Shades of Johnny Mnemonic. So, do I need to dump the old storage to free up cache for the more frequently accessed data or do I need to buy some auxiliary memory for offloading?

                                  I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office

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                                  Nchek2000
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                                  should have backup the old memories to external brain ala Ghost in the Shell.

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