The WORST thing that could happen to BUSH...
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You assume that the losses will be replaced. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Considering the current mood of the US administration it would be replaced by atleast 5 :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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My Business Grad friend once told me business is good for war. Go figure. Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark Twain34. War is good for business. 35. Peace is good for business. 202. The justification of profit is profit. :) -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine
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Oh! how intelligent? http://www.goenglish.com/ThePotCallingTheKettleBlack.asp[^] Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Informative :) -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine
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brianwelsch wrote: building one, however is great Not entirely true. The aircraft itself, once produced does not add anything to the economy. Compared, say, to a fleet of trucks which transport goods. The trucks continue to produce for the economy once built, so the overall impact on the economy is much greater for a fleet of trucks than for a war plane. War may be good for a very limited sector of the economy, but overall the production of military weaponry and paying the troops places a drag on any economy. Economically, the US would be much better off if we downsized our military. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: War may be good for a very limited sector of the economy An sector which would not exist without war. So it is serving only itself. X|
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Saddam Hussein has 48 hours to leave the country with his family. What if...
... he would decide to so and leave the command to the UNO to install a temporary gouvernement and democratic elections?
This would be the worst thing that could happen to president Bush and the US. Why? - He would not have to right to intrude into the Iraq, the US-army would have to go back home. - Iraq would keep his weapons and continue hiding them, supposed they really have some, which is not proved at all. - Those US-companies which prepare themselves to get down to Iraq after the war to build up the country and make a lot of money would loose those really interesting jobs. - Bush would have to get back to his office to think it over again and find another way to get to the oil reserves in Iraq. ... it seems like the US need this war to get its economy rolling again. Am I dreaming or is the world going up side down? -
brianwelsch wrote: building one, however is great Not entirely true. The aircraft itself, once produced does not add anything to the economy. Compared, say, to a fleet of trucks which transport goods. The trucks continue to produce for the economy once built, so the overall impact on the economy is much greater for a fleet of trucks than for a war plane. War may be good for a very limited sector of the economy, but overall the production of military weaponry and paying the troops places a drag on any economy. Economically, the US would be much better off if we downsized our military. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: The aircraft itself, once produced does not add anything to the economy. So aircraft maintenance, fuel consumption and pilot salary don't add to the economy? All of these things create wealth. The gov't has to buy parts and fuel from someone which gives them income and paying a pilot certainly gives him more buying power. Economics is not that simple.
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The revival of the economy is about spending. A war increases government spending causing a lot of short-term jobs, i guess. A plane going down needs a new one to be built and the defense contractors have more work. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Danoo wrote: ... it seems like the US need this war to get its economy rolling again. Innocents are about to loose their lives... Danoo wrote: Am I dreaming or is the world going up side down? Hello, Russians here put pressure on Putin to act to save the poor people of Iraq. Seems America/British/Spain decide to go illegal, there is no need to respect so-called internalional laws. Danoo wrote: Am I dreaming or is the world going up side down? ...or was Osama bin Laden right? Best regards, Paul. Pray for the people of Iraq, they have right to live too.
It's funny. There's still so many people in the world that think Bush is specifically out to kill the Iraqi people. It's the people that hate Bush and the US to begin with I guess. No matter how loud the US shouts that it's about the regime of Saddam, they still won't hear. They slap their hands over their ears and go "Lalalalalala! It's all about oil! lalalalalala! Bush wants to kill innocent people. lalalalalala! I can't hear you!" I suppose it sucks to admit you're wrong. It's better to look stupid than to be wrong for some people.
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side
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Actually, it requires another $20,000,000 to be spent. A military plane itself is useless to the economy (ie. doesn't produce anything), building one, however is great. Sending troops overseas does hurt though. 250,000 people are not spending money at home, not to mention the increase in pay due to active duty. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
brianwelsch wrote: Sending troops overseas does hurt though. 250,000 people are not spending money at home, not to mention the increase in pay due to active duty. That's not necessarily true. One of my friends in the military is ordering stuff on eBay and having it sent to his house for when he gets back. He's definitely an eBay addict.
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Trollslayer wrote: a $20,000,000 aircraft shot down is scrap at best. Thats a lot of money taken out of the economy. It was manufactured in the first place to kill innocent souls, it might have completed its mission. Best regards, Paul. May the Almighty God protect the innocent souls in Iraq.
Paul Selormey wrote: It was manufactured in the first place to kill innocent souls, The soul cannot be killed, maybe you meant innocent people? Anyway, it's all going to end soon... Iraq will be liberated and no matter how things go, the Iraqi people will be much better without Saddam and his regime. Nobody said that a tooth extraction was painless...
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Stan Shannon wrote: War may be good for a very limited sector of the economy An sector which would not exist without war. So it is serving only itself. X|
Off to in ~87 days
Andreas Saurwein wrote: An sector which would not exist without war. Not necessarilly. I think most military suppliers also produce civilian products.
There are only 10 kind of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It's funny. There's still so many people in the world that think Bush is specifically out to kill the Iraqi people. It's the people that hate Bush and the US to begin with I guess. No matter how loud the US shouts that it's about the regime of Saddam, they still won't hear. They slap their hands over their ears and go "Lalalalalala! It's all about oil! lalalalalala! Bush wants to kill innocent people. lalalalalala! I can't hear you!" I suppose it sucks to admit you're wrong. It's better to look stupid than to be wrong for some people.
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side
Kevnar wrote: I suppose it sucks to admit you're wrong. I think what sucks is that USA thinking it is the only nation which knows better, and use of force is the only way to solve a problem. I think we have passed that age. Kevnar wrote: It's better to look stupid than to be wrong for some people. Make it both, I will prefer to be stupid and wrong in this case where innocent people who might have struggled to reach some stage in their life to die just because a strong nation is happily raining bullets on them. If supporting America is the only way to be correct, please let me wrong. Best regards, Paul. May the Lord protect the innocent people of Iraq about to be murdered.
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Paul Selormey wrote: It was manufactured in the first place to kill innocent souls, The soul cannot be killed, maybe you meant innocent people? Anyway, it's all going to end soon... Iraq will be liberated and no matter how things go, the Iraqi people will be much better without Saddam and his regime. Nobody said that a tooth extraction was painless...
There are only 10 kind of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.
Eddie Velasquez wrote: Iraq will be liberated and no matter how things go, the Iraqi people will be much better without Saddam and his regime. May be you wish to say no matter how many Iraqi people die... Eddie Velasquez wrote: Nobody said that a tooth extraction was painless... Going to a dentist is a choice in the first place. Best regards, Paul. May the Lord protect the innocent souls in Iraq.
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Kevnar wrote: I suppose it sucks to admit you're wrong. I think what sucks is that USA thinking it is the only nation which knows better, and use of force is the only way to solve a problem. I think we have passed that age. Kevnar wrote: It's better to look stupid than to be wrong for some people. Make it both, I will prefer to be stupid and wrong in this case where innocent people who might have struggled to reach some stage in their life to die just because a strong nation is happily raining bullets on them. If supporting America is the only way to be correct, please let me wrong. Best regards, Paul. May the Lord protect the innocent people of Iraq about to be murdered.
Paul Selormey wrote: die just because a strong nation is happily raining bullets on them You're still operating under this false assumption that the US is haphazardly going to rain bullets randomly down on innocent people. I don't know where you get this notion but it's as stupid as it is false. Even if they had absolutely no regard for human life, which they do, it's still stupid to do this because weapons cost money. They will select targets carefully and the only way civilians will get killed is if Saddam himself puts them in harms way on purpose, which he has been known to do in the past. That does not make it the US's fault then. Anyone who says so is simply speaking out of blind hatred of the US. If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you go down there and serve as a human sheild yourself? I'm sure Saddam would be grateful for the help. Then once the US gives up and turns back, he can go back to his regime of systematic torture and dehumanization of these Iraqi civilians you claim to love so much.
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side
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Paul Selormey wrote: die just because a strong nation is happily raining bullets on them You're still operating under this false assumption that the US is haphazardly going to rain bullets randomly down on innocent people. I don't know where you get this notion but it's as stupid as it is false. Even if they had absolutely no regard for human life, which they do, it's still stupid to do this because weapons cost money. They will select targets carefully and the only way civilians will get killed is if Saddam himself puts them in harms way on purpose, which he has been known to do in the past. That does not make it the US's fault then. Anyone who says so is simply speaking out of blind hatred of the US. If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you go down there and serve as a human sheild yourself? I'm sure Saddam would be grateful for the help. Then once the US gives up and turns back, he can go back to his regime of systematic torture and dehumanization of these Iraqi civilians you claim to love so much.
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side
Kevnar wrote: the only way civilians will get killed is if Saddam himself puts them in harms way on purpose ...we will be watching the news report. Hope you will enjoy it. Best regards, Paul. May the Lord protect the innocent people of Iraq.
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Eddie Velasquez wrote: Iraq will be liberated and no matter how things go, the Iraqi people will be much better without Saddam and his regime. May be you wish to say no matter how many Iraqi people die... Eddie Velasquez wrote: Nobody said that a tooth extraction was painless... Going to a dentist is a choice in the first place. Best regards, Paul. May the Lord protect the innocent souls in Iraq.
Paul Selormey wrote: Going to a dentist is a choice in the first place. You dont think most people under that regime would choose to get rid of Saddam if they could? They are repressed, kept ignorant, and tortured. They are afraid of Saddam, and the government is supported by the rich Baath party, not the people. In fact many Iraqi people (mostly Kurds) agreed to help us in the last Gulf war. The worst thing the UN and especially America did was abandon those people that Bush Sr promised help to if they help overthrow Saddam. If America is to feel guilty it is for that reason alone. Now we are returning to finally keep those promises, and once again we have their support. Cleve Littlefield Senior Developer Visual Office
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Kevnar wrote: the only way civilians will get killed is if Saddam himself puts them in harms way on purpose ...we will be watching the news report. Hope you will enjoy it. Best regards, Paul. May the Lord protect the innocent people of Iraq.
Paul Selormey wrote: Hope you will enjoy it. If you're implying that I will enjoy watching civilians get killed then you've just proven my point. You're so blinded by hatred of Bush that you haven't heard a word I've said. You haven't heard a word Bush has said. You've got your head in the sand. You heard some propaghanda from some Saddam-loving peacenik and you ran with it. Paul Selormey wrote: May the Lord protect the innocent people of Iraq. Perhaps your prayer has been answered. The Lord will protect the innocent people of Iraq from tyranny and oppression by sending the US in there to take out Saddam. If you were really on the side of the Iraqi people, and if you were actually informed about the real situation, beyond the anti-US propaghanda, you would rejoice. I don't think that's your desire though. You're not about defending the Iraqi people. You're just about hating Bush and the US. Quit useing Iraqi civilians as an excuse and say what you really mean. ============================================================================== The above line represents the brick wall of ignorance that my words will bounce off of trying to get through to this guy. If he replies he will only confirm once more that he hasn't heard I word I've said. Mostly I'm just posting this for everyone else, though. Take care.
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side
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Paul Selormey wrote: Hope you will enjoy it. If you're implying that I will enjoy watching civilians get killed then you've just proven my point. You're so blinded by hatred of Bush that you haven't heard a word I've said. You haven't heard a word Bush has said. You've got your head in the sand. You heard some propaghanda from some Saddam-loving peacenik and you ran with it. Paul Selormey wrote: May the Lord protect the innocent people of Iraq. Perhaps your prayer has been answered. The Lord will protect the innocent people of Iraq from tyranny and oppression by sending the US in there to take out Saddam. If you were really on the side of the Iraqi people, and if you were actually informed about the real situation, beyond the anti-US propaghanda, you would rejoice. I don't think that's your desire though. You're not about defending the Iraqi people. You're just about hating Bush and the US. Quit useing Iraqi civilians as an excuse and say what you really mean. ============================================================================== The above line represents the brick wall of ignorance that my words will bounce off of trying to get through to this guy. If he replies he will only confirm once more that he hasn't heard I word I've said. Mostly I'm just posting this for everyone else, though. Take care.
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side
Kevnar wrote: You're so blinded by hatred of Bush that you haven't heard a word I've said. Of course to anyone who does not respect others right to exist. Kevnar wrote: You haven't heard a word Bush has said. You've got your head in the sand. I have listened to him, and I do not know if there is anything that which justify the killing of a single Iraqi - if you have any, please point it out clearly. Kevnar wrote: You heard some propaghanda from some Saddam-loving peacenik and you ran with it. Hmmmm, you really have a problem. Kevnar wrote: I don't think that's your desire though. You're not about defending the Iraqi people. You're just about hating Bush and the US. Quit useing Iraqi civilians as an excuse and say what you really mean. Sorry, I have nothing against US or US people. I simply heard anyone who take delight in killing others for whatever reason, see if you fall in here. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Paul Selormey wrote: Going to a dentist is a choice in the first place. You dont think most people under that regime would choose to get rid of Saddam if they could? They are repressed, kept ignorant, and tortured. They are afraid of Saddam, and the government is supported by the rich Baath party, not the people. In fact many Iraqi people (mostly Kurds) agreed to help us in the last Gulf war. The worst thing the UN and especially America did was abandon those people that Bush Sr promised help to if they help overthrow Saddam. If America is to feel guilty it is for that reason alone. Now we are returning to finally keep those promises, and once again we have their support. Cleve Littlefield Senior Developer Visual Office
CleverGuy wrote: You dont think most people under that regime would choose to get rid of Saddam if they could? That applies to any president. Let President Bush freely walk on the street. CleverGuy wrote: They are repressed, kept ignorant, and tortured. They are afraid of Saddam, and the government is supported by the rich Baath party, not the people. It this the reason? It is not clear in the statement to the UN. CleverGuy wrote: In fact many Iraqi people (mostly Kurds) agreed to help us in the last Gulf war. Is it different from the action of Turkish on Kurds? If US has a case, it should not be afraid to prove it before the members of the security council - I think US claims to believe in democracy, why is it not being allowed to work here? Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Kevnar wrote: You're so blinded by hatred of Bush that you haven't heard a word I've said. Of course to anyone who does not respect others right to exist. Kevnar wrote: You haven't heard a word Bush has said. You've got your head in the sand. I have listened to him, and I do not know if there is anything that which justify the killing of a single Iraqi - if you have any, please point it out clearly. Kevnar wrote: You heard some propaghanda from some Saddam-loving peacenik and you ran with it. Hmmmm, you really have a problem. Kevnar wrote: I don't think that's your desire though. You're not about defending the Iraqi people. You're just about hating Bush and the US. Quit useing Iraqi civilians as an excuse and say what you really mean. Sorry, I have nothing against US or US people. I simply heard anyone who take delight in killing others for whatever reason, see if you fall in here. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
It seems to me that English must be your second language. Perhaps that's why you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if that's the case. Either way, I won't respond to anything else you say on these matters. You're still accusing me of enjoying the killing of innocent people, though I've stated over and over through this thread that I'm absolutely against that. I can only conclude that your grasp of the English language is somewhat flawed. I'm having trouble believing that anyone could possibly be that dense on their own. Another option is that you're just trying to tick me off on purpose. You claim to be a Christian though, so why would you do that? That leaves us with three theories then. 1. You don't understand English well, and your misrepresentation of what I'm saying is an innocent mistake. 2. You're trying to tick me off on purpose, just for the sake of fighting about something. 3. You're ignorant and you just charge through a conversation like a bull in a china shop, deciding what the other person's point of view is before you start and arrogantly trampling over everything else. I'm hoping for option 1, since you claim to be a Christian. You must be careful that you don't accuse someone falsely, as you have done with me. You must be wise, and listen more than you speak(James 1:19). If you're as effective at converting people to Christ as you are at arguing politics I'm pretty sure the Jesus I know would not be pleased. You haven't won anyone over around here, that's for sure. You make a fool of yourself, and bring shame to the Name you profess if you don't honestly listen to people before you speak. Yes Jesus Christ is love, but that doesn't mean any old Joe who calls himself a Christian really is one(1 John 2:3-6). Be careful what you say, because you'll have to give account of every idle word that comes out of your mouth(and keyboard).
"HELP? No wait, cancel that. It says HELF." - Gary Larson, The Far Side