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  • A Argonia

    OriginalGriff wrote:

    What does a computer do that this doesn't? (Apart from play Doom :laugh: )

    We can't say for sure if we didn't try. The result would be one of a kind cloth :D

    Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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    OriginalGriff
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    I think the ping time would make it kinda difficult to play! :laugh:

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    • L Lost User

      Jörgen Andersson wrote:

      So, what's the definition of Computer?

      A machine that makes humans waste their lives arguing about semantics. ;)

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      Must resist upvoting... Failed again. :)

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        Nice to know we're all descended from prehistoric hairdressers, account executives, and telephone sanitizers, huh?

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        Corporal Agarn
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        Oh, put a towel on it.

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        • S Simon ORiordan from UK

          Here we go:[](Americas First Computer)http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed While we think 'the world' of Americans, they really must resist being so inbred; the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'. There there. Eniac was America's First Computer. :laugh:

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          Marc Clifton
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          Leslie[^] ;) Kent beat you to it. Marc

          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Higher Order Programming

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          • I Ian Shlasko

            Nice to know we're all descended from prehistoric hairdressers, account executives, and telephone sanitizers, huh?

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
            Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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            den2k88
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            It took me half an hour to get that reference. In my defense I can only say I read it in Italian and not in English, still... shame on me!

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            • J Jorgen Andersson

              Hmm, lets see. Z3 was the world's first working programmable, fully automatic digital computer. (1941) Colossus is the world's first electronic digital computer that was programmable. (1944) Eniac is the first electronic general-purpose computer. (1946) Are everyone satisfied now? :laugh:

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              Simon ORiordan from UK
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              Quite right, I was aware of the German work. Forgot it was called the Z3. The Nazis didn't see what it was good for. Destroyed by bombing if I remember. Another first.

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                Leslie[^] ;) Kent beat you to it. Marc

                Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Higher Order Programming

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                Simon ORiordan from UK
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                I keep getting lost on the way to the forum. And no. It wasn't a funny thing. :laugh:

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  I think the ping time would make it kinda difficult to play! :laugh:

                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                  Nicholas Marty
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                  Why? With such a low framerate you'd have plenty of time to react so you should be able to hit anything with a perfect shot :laugh:

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                  • L Lost User

                    I'm tired of the British always trying to steal American glory. If it were up to this American we'd of never introduced tea to the British Isles.

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                    Lost User
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                    Sometimes I bet you wish you never discovered us in the first place.

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                    • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                      Here we go:[](Americas First Computer)http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed While we think 'the world' of Americans, they really must resist being so inbred; the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'. There there. Eniac was America's First Computer. :laugh:

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                      Many first computers here, however this one has a lawsuit attached to it :) Says in the 1930s should be earlier than 1940s :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_Atanasoff[^]

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                      • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                        Quite right, I was aware of the German work. Forgot it was called the Z3. The Nazis didn't see what it was good for. Destroyed by bombing if I remember. Another first.

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                        Jochen Arndt
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                        It has been rebuild twice. First by Konrad Zuse himself (1961). That can be seen in the Deutsches Museum: http://www.deutsches-museum.de/en/exhibitions/communication/computers/universal-computers/[^]. The second has been build by Horst Zuse (2011-2013): http://www.z3-computer.de/[^] (German page).

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                        • N Nicholas Marty

                          Why? With such a low framerate you'd have plenty of time to react so you should be able to hit anything with a perfect shot :laugh:

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                          OriginalGriff
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                          By which time it's in a different county, never mind room! :laugh:

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                          • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                            Here we go:[](Americas First Computer)http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed While we think 'the world' of Americans, they really must resist being so inbred; the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'. There there. Eniac was America's First Computer. :laugh:

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                            Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote:

                            the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'

                            The difference engine may or may not really count as a computer, but the Royal Navy had genuine analogue computers during World War 1 -- a major historical point is that the Admiralty refused to use them for targeting at the battle of Jutland. A major not-really-historical point is that some countries' armed forces manage to actually keep things secret, no matter how much money can be made from selling them or claiming ownership.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              You can program it, it has input and output - heck, it's even got a graphics display(if a bit low resolution, unless it is working with really fine silk). What does a computer do that this doesn't? (Apart from play Doom :laugh: )

                              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                              Mark_Wallace
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                              OriginalGriff wrote:

                              What does a computer do that this doesn't? (Apart from play Doom :laugh: )

                              It took me Four Hours to make that f***in' cacodemon, and you just chopped it up with a f***in' chainsaw!

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                I think the ping time would make it kinda difficult to play! :laugh:

                                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                Argonia
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                                The Ping is the excuse of the weak !

                                Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                                  The Ping is the excuse of the weak !

                                  Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                                  OriginalGriff
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                                  Argonia wrote:

                                  The Ping is the excuse of the weak week!

                                  FTFY!

                                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Um...maybe not. I'd be tempted to throw the Jacquard Loom[^] into the picture: programmable, digital, working (and still in use in some places) - invented in 1801 - and kick started the Industrial Revolution.

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                                    BillWoodruff
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                                    Yes, Charles Babbage went to France and saw a Jacquard loom that created a multi-color silk portrait of Napoleon using over a million cardboard rectangles into which holes were punched to regulate weaving. But, I'm not sure I'd call that digital.

                                    «If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'»  What does that tell you about sanity in these times?

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                                    • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                                      Here we go:[](Americas First Computer)http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed While we think 'the world' of Americans, they really must resist being so inbred; the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'. There there. Eniac was America's First Computer. :laugh:

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                                      BillWoodruff
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                                      Well, how about the Antikythera Mechanism circa 3rd. century BCE (Before Common Era). It's age has, recently, been reported to be at least a century older than previously thought: [^]. The Antikythera Project and Musuem: [^]. Another Antikythera site: [^]. Videos: [^]. But, it's not digital.

                                      «If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'»  What does that tell you about sanity in these times?

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                                      • B BillWoodruff

                                        Yes, Charles Babbage went to France and saw a Jacquard loom that created a multi-color silk portrait of Napoleon using over a million cardboard rectangles into which holes were punched to regulate weaving. But, I'm not sure I'd call that digital.

                                        «If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'»  What does that tell you about sanity in these times?

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                                        OriginalGriff
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                                        It's binary - on for a hole, off for the absence of a hole. So it isn't analog! :laugh:

                                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          It's binary - on for a hole, off for the absence of a hole. So it isn't analog! :laugh:

                                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                          BillWoodruff
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                                          I'm not sure that the Jacquard Loom can be considered digital. Certainly the Loom meets the test of "fully programmable" in the sense that, up to its mechanical/physical limits, it could render any design that could be made with the thread at hand. And, the cardboard "program" (sewn together cards) was, indeed, rolled off a spindle in a sequence, as I recall (based on reading over thirty-years ago). No undo, no goto, no recursion: the ultimate declarative language ? :) Would a true "digital" computer have to have a memory-store, and the capability of some kind of branching based on conditional evaluation, and looping ? I think so. I'm trying to remember the names of those three Italian theorists who stipulated that those three attributes were essential for a Turing machine, but drawing a blank. I'm inclined to think the true "computer" in the case of the Jacquard Loom was the human intelligence that figured out what cards were needed, and how they should be punched. cheers, Bill

                                          «If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'»  What does that tell you about sanity in these times?

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