"Secured" online shopping
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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form. :omg: :wtf:. My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? :^) After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real. Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! :wtf: How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF? Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I bought something on a website last week, put my address as the billing address to go with my card, my parents' address as the delivery address. Because the billing address and delivery address were different and it was the first time I had used them they phoned me up and asked me a couple of quick questions about the billing address (they were looking at it on google maps I believe) to check that I wasn't trying to use a stolen card. That's a good idea I thought. Only time anyone has cared what addresses I use though.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Might be. But as a French, buying online on French websites makes delivery less expensive...
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
Rage wrote:
But as a French
I think I've identified your other problem... *ducks* :-D
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Rage wrote:
But as a French
I think I've identified your other problem... *ducks* :-D
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form. :omg: :wtf:. My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? :^) After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real. Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! :wtf: How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF? Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
I recently read something about changes to EU VAT rules for ecommerce that were, in the opinion of the writer, going to massively elephant up the shopping experience starting next year. I'm guessing this is just the start of the deluge from someone who got his new system on a month early. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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RyanDev wrote:
Sounds like a good reason to avoid them
It looks like most of them are now doing it: RueDuCommerce: http://forum.quechoisir.org/verification-identite-rue-du-commerce-t21760.html[^] CDiscount: http://www.clubic.com/forum/internet-general/en-colere-contre-cdiscount-et-fia-net-id582060-page1.html[^] Darty.com: http://www.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-5781781-achat-en-ligne-et-justificatif-d-identite[^] :~
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
I actually agree with Ryan... If you get a legitimate payment confirmation that you will indeed receive the money then why does it need to confirm that you are real? There is for a reason a T & C's section that covers (suppose to) that in the event of delivery the person sending the article was not there or could not be identified the parcel will be returned to the Office where the person that made the order can pick up the article and if after 30 days no claim has been made the parcel will be sold to cover costs. Well something like that. :doh: If I were you I would get my hands on a deceased person's ID and send that through as verification where you (it obviously being on computer, so no proof of authenticity can be done) manipulate it to show all your details that they have on their system when you placed the order. At least that way they can use that in an advert stating that they will deliver. Even in death! :suss: While you are there ask for proof of authenticity that they will indeed send the real thing you order as is to you on a time of your convenience and get an authenticity papers signed that the person to deliver the package is indeed real. :rolleyes:
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I recently read something about changes to EU VAT rules for ecommerce that were, in the opinion of the writer, going to massively elephant up the shopping experience starting next year. I'm guessing this is just the start of the deluge from someone who got his new system on a month early. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Found the blog post[^] I saw the other day. Limited to digital goods; but looks completely elephanted up...
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I bought something on a website last week, put my address as the billing address to go with my card, my parents' address as the delivery address. Because the billing address and delivery address were different and it was the first time I had used them they phoned me up and asked me a couple of quick questions about the billing address (they were looking at it on google maps I believe) to check that I wasn't trying to use a stolen card. That's a good idea I thought. Only time anyone has cared what addresses I use though.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
chriselst wrote:
That's a good idea I thought.
Not that good, what's to prevent the potential thief from doing the same (looking at google maps). Never had to do anything like this, but then I don't buy that much stuff online.
Tom
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chriselst wrote:
That's a good idea I thought.
Not that good, what's to prevent the potential thief from doing the same (looking at google maps). Never had to do anything like this, but then I don't buy that much stuff online.
Tom
I don't think it was designed to fool the professional criminal, just a small company getting a human to do a little extra checking. Good idea I thought, and still do.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Found the blog post[^] I saw the other day. Limited to digital goods; but looks completely elephanted up...
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Saw some people complaining about, and completely misunderstanding, this last week. IIRC you now have to charge VAT at the rate of the country where the consumer is rather than where the producer is. It is part of the question as to which country online transactions take place in, the sort of thing that allows Amazon to avoid tax be claiming that they are only a delivery service in every country apart from one with the most generous tax rates which is where they claim to actually do all their selling.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form. :omg: :wtf:. My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? :^) After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real. Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! :wtf: How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF? Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
It never happened me while buying online, but when tried to register with freelancer site I had to to the same procedure. The funny thing was that they revealed it step-by-step, so after doing an ID identification, they asked for an electricity bill too...I asked myself what they will do with a hebrew bill addressed to my wife? Why I can't be real if I have no electricity bill? I never completed the registration...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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ROTFL :laugh: *surrenders*
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
Rage wrote:
*surrenders*
Back to type...
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I don't think it was designed to fool the professional criminal, just a small company getting a human to do a little extra checking. Good idea I thought, and still do.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
If nothing else, it shows they are making an effort to reduce card crime - and that could mean that their insurance is lower, or they don't suffer any losses if the card does turn out to be cloned.
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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form. :omg: :wtf:. My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? :^) After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real. Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! :wtf: How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF? Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
My bank called me once, just minutes after I made an online purchased to confirm the purchase. That was weird.
I'd rather be phishing!
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I actually agree with Ryan... If you get a legitimate payment confirmation that you will indeed receive the money then why does it need to confirm that you are real? There is for a reason a T & C's section that covers (suppose to) that in the event of delivery the person sending the article was not there or could not be identified the parcel will be returned to the Office where the person that made the order can pick up the article and if after 30 days no claim has been made the parcel will be sold to cover costs. Well something like that. :doh: If I were you I would get my hands on a deceased person's ID and send that through as verification where you (it obviously being on computer, so no proof of authenticity can be done) manipulate it to show all your details that they have on their system when you placed the order. At least that way they can use that in an advert stating that they will deliver. Even in death! :suss: While you are there ask for proof of authenticity that they will indeed send the real thing you order as is to you on a time of your convenience and get an authenticity papers signed that the person to deliver the package is indeed real. :rolleyes:
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My bank called me once, just minutes after I made an online purchased to confirm the purchase. That was weird.
I'd rather be phishing!
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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form. :omg: :wtf:. My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? :^) After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real. Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! :wtf: How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF? Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
Sounds like an anti-Amazon government sponsored bull-sheet, I was redaing something about it some time ago (in an Italian free-press newspaper, so I gave it the attention it deserved - next to 0, on the left side). Don't worry, your southern neighbors will soon do something similar. ADD: I would add, you have Carrefour and Auchan, two elephants of physical shop commerce (in Italy they practically own any supermarket or Commercial Centre). They could be "gently pushing" to restrict e-commerce...
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My bank called me once, just minutes after I made an online purchased to confirm the purchase. That was weird.
I'd rather be phishing!
That is actually good thing, but it depends on the bank. I usually get such call after I do something outside of usual pattern. At least it there is a chance that if my card gets stolen and used before I notice, I still have a chance to not lose (much) money.
-- "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."
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My bank called me once, just minutes after I made an online purchased to confirm the purchase. That was weird.
I'd rather be phishing!
What annoys me about that is that they refuse to provide any information to prove who they are - but expect me to prove who I am. And they rang me...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form. :omg: :wtf:. My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? :^) After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real. Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! :wtf: How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF? Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
Is the website served under HTTPS? For example the company website I manage in terms of web development sells electrical courses online and I've served it under HTTPS - https://www.electriciancourses4u.co.uk We've never heard of a policy like that and our courses go up to a few grand per person! If the HTTPS is there then I guess it seems legitimate, maybe it's like you said a new policy that's really strict in France? I would be careful though. If it happened to me personally I would refuse and try and purchase the gifts from a different website.
