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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

    if (condition)
    {
    DoThis();
    }
    else
    {
    DoThat();
    }

    as opposed to:

    if (condition)
    DoThis();
    else
    DoThat();

    Pedants :sigh:

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    Tom Clement
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    #6

    If their functions are really long :(, they can see more of it on one screen that way.

    Tom Clement articles[^]

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      If their functions are really long :(, they can see more of it on one screen that way.

      Tom Clement articles[^]

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      Jeremy Falcon
      wrote on last edited by
      #7

      Exactly.

      Jeremy Falcon

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      • R R Giskard Reventlov

        Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

        if (condition)
        {
        DoThis();
        }
        else
        {
        DoThat();
        }

        as opposed to:

        if (condition)
        DoThis();
        else
        DoThat();

        Pedants :sigh:

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        Maximilien
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        Cool, Religious war in the Lounge!!! :rolleyes:

        I'd rather be phishing!

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        • R R Giskard Reventlov

          Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

          if (condition)
          {
          DoThis();
          }
          else
          {
          DoThat();
          }

          as opposed to:

          if (condition)
          DoThis();
          else
          DoThat();

          Pedants :sigh:

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          Mike Hankey
          wrote on last edited by
          #9

          What exactly is a peeve? and how do you train it? I prefer the second method as a matter of style and space. To each his/her own!

          New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 There's a fine line between crazy and free spirited and it's usually a prescription. I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too but the possibilities are endless.

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          • J Jeremy Falcon

            I'm not lazy, but I'll still use the latter. There's no point in always having to use a bracket so I don't, unless it makes things easier to read. Which in your example it doesn't. Wasting space just makes a source code file longer anyway and harder to navigate. Concise wins, unless it's hard to read.

            Jeremy Falcon

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            Chris Losinger
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            it doesn't make anything easier to read, and it definitely makes things harder to maintain.

            image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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            • R R Giskard Reventlov

              Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

              if (condition)
              {
              DoThis();
              }
              else
              {
              DoThat();
              }

              as opposed to:

              if (condition)
              DoThis();
              else
              DoThat();

              Pedants :sigh:

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              Dan Neely
              wrote on last edited by
              #11

              In a coding standard that put's {'s on their own line I prefer this:

              if (condition)
              DoThis();
              else DoThat();

              If you're putting the { on the previous line, IMO they're easy enough to overlook that the explicit closing } is needed. And if you're writing javascript :(( the opening { is obligate and this:

              if (condition) { DoThis();
              } else {DoThat();}

              or this:

              if (condition) DoThis() else DoThat();

              are obscenities. X|

              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                if (condition)
                {
                DoThis();
                }
                else
                {
                DoThat();
                }

                as opposed to:

                if (condition)
                DoThis();
                else
                DoThat();

                Pedants :sigh:

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                Ian Shlasko
                wrote on last edited by
                #12

                It's not laziness. The second one is quicker and easier to read IF the condition and the branched commands are short. As soon as any of those lines gets the slightest bit complicated, or if there's any nesting at all, I add the braces.

                Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  I'm not lazy, but I'll still use the latter. There's no point in always having to use a bracket so I don't, unless it makes things easier to read. Which in your example it doesn't. Wasting space just makes a source code file longer anyway and harder to navigate. Concise wins, unless it's hard to read.

                  Jeremy Falcon

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                  R Giskard Reventlov
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  I have to { disagree. } I prefer the verbosity and clarity that the braces bring to the code.

                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                  Concise wins, unless it's hard to read.

                  Which is usually what happens. People that use the latter form also tend to be the ones that crush every line together so that you first have to separate to properly understand. Is there a lack of space on your screen? In any case a method bigger than a screen is just plain fugly. :)

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                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                    I have to { disagree. } I prefer the verbosity and clarity that the braces bring to the code.

                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                    Concise wins, unless it's hard to read.

                    Which is usually what happens. People that use the latter form also tend to be the ones that crush every line together so that you first have to separate to properly understand. Is there a lack of space on your screen? In any case a method bigger than a screen is just plain fugly. :)

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                    Jeremy Falcon
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #14

                    Karel Čapek wrote:

                    I prefer the verbosity and clarity that the braces bring to the code.

                    You should try VB then.

                    Jeremy Falcon

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      And why couldn't you write

                      if (condition)
                      {
                      this.DoThis();
                      }
                      else
                      {
                      this.DoThat();
                      }

                      Now this code is totally unambiguous :) Although I know some people who really hate this...

                      My blog[^]

                      public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                      {
                      public void DoWork()
                      {
                      throw new NotSupportedException();
                      }
                      }

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                      Ian Shlasko
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      That's not good enough...

                      if
                      (
                      condition
                      )
                      {
                      this
                      .
                      DoThis
                      (
                      )
                      ;
                      }
                      else
                      {
                      this
                      .
                      DoThat
                      (
                      )
                      ;
                      }

                      It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line. :)

                      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                        it doesn't make anything easier to read, and it definitely makes things harder to maintain.

                        image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                        Jeremy Falcon
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #16

                        Chris, you can't BS me, come on man. You honestly expect me to buy that not using brackets for a single-line if condition makes code harder to maintain? Seriously? Where's the joke icon?

                        Jeremy Falcon

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                        • I Ian Shlasko

                          It's not laziness. The second one is quicker and easier to read IF the condition and the branched commands are short. As soon as any of those lines gets the slightest bit complicated, or if there's any nesting at all, I add the braces.

                          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                          Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                          Jeremy Falcon
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #17

                          Ian Shlasko wrote:

                          As soon as any of those lines gets the slightest bit complicated, or if there's any nesting at all, I add the braces.

                          :thumbsup:

                          Jeremy Falcon

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                            Karel Čapek wrote:

                            I prefer the verbosity and clarity that the braces bring to the code.

                            You should try VB then.

                            Jeremy Falcon

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                            R Giskard Reventlov
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            Heathen! Blasphemer! How do you even know that VB uses braces???

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                            • I Ian Shlasko

                              That's not good enough...

                              if
                              (
                              condition
                              )
                              {
                              this
                              .
                              DoThis
                              (
                              )
                              ;
                              }
                              else
                              {
                              this
                              .
                              DoThat
                              (
                              )
                              ;
                              }

                              It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line. :)

                              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                              Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                              Jeremy Falcon
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #19

                              Oooooooo, look at how easy that is to maintain now!! :drool:

                              Jeremy Falcon

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                              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                Heathen! Blasphemer! How do you even know that VB uses braces???

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                                Jeremy Falcon
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #20

                                Ha. Well you see... I work for the devil, but it's only because I'm evil.

                                Jeremy Falcon

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                                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                  Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                                  if (condition)
                                  {
                                  DoThis();
                                  }
                                  else
                                  {
                                  DoThat();
                                  }

                                  as opposed to:

                                  if (condition)
                                  DoThis();
                                  else
                                  DoThat();

                                  Pedants :sigh:

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                                  kmoorevs
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #21

                                  IMHO the latter is easier to read. I've recently had to resort to cheap reading glasses as { started looking like (! (even at 125%} :laugh: I don't always use {}, but when I do, I also prefer then on their own lines for readability. :thumbsup:

                                  "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                  • I Ian Shlasko

                                    That's not good enough...

                                    if
                                    (
                                    condition
                                    )
                                    {
                                    this
                                    .
                                    DoThis
                                    (
                                    )
                                    ;
                                    }
                                    else
                                    {
                                    this
                                    .
                                    DoThat
                                    (
                                    )
                                    ;
                                    }

                                    It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line. :)

                                    Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                                    Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                                    Sander Rossel
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #22

                                    if (condition) { this.DoThis(); } else { this.DoThat(); }

                                    You probably meant

                                    Ian Shlasko wrote:

                                    It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line in the entire application.

                                    I guess it's theoretically possible... :~

                                    My blog[^]

                                    public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                    {
                                    public void DoWork()
                                    {
                                    throw new NotSupportedException();
                                    }
                                    }

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                                    • J Jeremy Falcon

                                      Chris, you can't BS me, come on man. You honestly expect me to buy that not using brackets for a single-line if condition makes code harder to maintain? Seriously? Where's the joke icon?

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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                                      Sander Rossel
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #23

                                      Sure it's easy, until another developer adds a second line and forgets to add brackets. I've been working in some source code that didn't use brackets for single statements. I introduced a few bugs by not adding them when I had to and I've been wondering more than once if the original developer REALLY meant not to add brackets....

                                      if (condition)
                                      DoThis();
                                      else
                                      DoThat();
                                      DoAnotherThing();

                                      is really weird to look at and at the very least makes you wonder if it was intended... Especially if DoAnotherThing(); isn't properly in/outdented!

                                      My blog[^]

                                      public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                      {
                                      public void DoWork()
                                      {
                                      throw new NotSupportedException();
                                      }
                                      }

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        Sure it's easy, until another developer adds a second line and forgets to add brackets. I've been working in some source code that didn't use brackets for single statements. I introduced a few bugs by not adding them when I had to and I've been wondering more than once if the original developer REALLY meant not to add brackets....

                                        if (condition)
                                        DoThis();
                                        else
                                        DoThat();
                                        DoAnotherThing();

                                        is really weird to look at and at the very least makes you wonder if it was intended... Especially if DoAnotherThing(); isn't properly in/outdented!

                                        My blog[^]

                                        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                        {
                                        public void DoWork()
                                        {
                                        throw new NotSupportedException();
                                        }
                                        }

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                                        Jeremy Falcon
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #24

                                        Ok, you have a good point with that, but it's still not worth the trade off of having really extra long files / routines. Besides, it gives you something to spot the new guys with so you can give them a hard time.

                                        Jeremy Falcon

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                                        • K kmoorevs

                                          IMHO the latter is easier to read. I've recently had to resort to cheap reading glasses as { started looking like (! (even at 125%} :laugh: I don't always use {}, but when I do, I also prefer then on their own lines for readability. :thumbsup:

                                          "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                          Jeremy Falcon
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #25

                                          kmoorevs wrote:

                                          I don't always use {}, but when I do, I also prefer then on their own lines for readability.

                                          Click Me[^]

                                          Jeremy Falcon

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