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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    if (condition) { this.DoThis(); } else { this.DoThat(); }

    You probably meant

    Ian Shlasko wrote:

    It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line in the entire application.

    I guess it's theoretically possible... :~

    My blog[^]

    public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
    {
    public void DoWork()
    {
    throw new NotSupportedException();
    }
    }

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    glennPattonWork3
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    #29

    Way back in my College days the Software Lecturer told us (the class) it wasn't possible to do the above. I proved her wrong by writing a short Pascal (I think) program with no returns all on one line, ah Youth :)

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    • G glennPattonWork3

      Way back in my College days the Software Lecturer told us (the class) it wasn't possible to do the above. I proved her wrong by writing a short Pascal (I think) program with no returns all on one line, ah Youth :)

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      _Damian S_
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      #30

      The end of the story - "...and that's how I got to repeat introduction to programming!!"

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        Chris, you can't BS me, come on man. You honestly expect me to buy that not using brackets for a single-line if condition makes code harder to maintain? Seriously? Where's the joke icon?

        Jeremy Falcon

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        Chris Losinger
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        #31

        it certainly is harder to maintain. i can't count how many times i've had to fix something in code that only uses brackets when one or more statements are being controlled. so you get stuff like:

        for (i=0;i<10;i++)
        for (x=0;x<10;x++)
        if (xyz) foo()
        else for (z=0;z<10;z++)
        bazinga();
        bar();

        and then you have to spend precious brain wattage figuring out that bar(); has nothing to do with any of the rest of it. this isn't 1967, 3 bytes for a bracket and an CR/NL isn't going to run you out of punch cards. make the code readable!

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        • R R Giskard Reventlov

          Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

          if (condition)
          {
          DoThis();
          }
          else
          {
          DoThat();
          }

          as opposed to:

          if (condition)
          DoThis();
          else
          DoThat();

          Pedants :sigh:

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          Mladen Jankovic
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          #32

          The decision which to use is simple: - follow the coding standard - if you don't have it, use whichever style is used in file/project - new project/file, use whatever you find more atheistically pleasing to you Personal atheistic preference is one of very few arguments that I can accept as valid in this "debate" (like in any other debate on any kind of style). The only argument that is supported by concrete numbers is saved on-screen space by the second style. All other arguments are largely unsubstantiated (maybe I'm wrong, but let me see some numbers) So don't go around calling people lazy just because they don't conform to your preference, it can make you look obnoxious. <edit> My preference: ?:. What' you gonna do now? <edit>

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          • R R Giskard Reventlov

            Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

            if (condition)
            {
            DoThis();
            }
            else
            {
            DoThat();
            }

            as opposed to:

            if (condition)
            DoThis();
            else
            DoThat();

            Pedants :sigh:

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            Lost User
            wrote on last edited by
            #33

            Do you really require 8 lines to convey 4 lines worth of information? Perhaps "begin" and "end" would be even more clear? How about "then"? :)

            if (condition) then
            begin
            DoThis();
            end
            else
            begin
            DoThat();
            end;

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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            • R R Giskard Reventlov

              Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

              if (condition)
              {
              DoThis();
              }
              else
              {
              DoThat();
              }

              as opposed to:

              if (condition)
              DoThis();
              else
              DoThat();

              Pedants :sigh:

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              Nemanja Trifunovic
              wrote on last edited by
              #34

              I am not lazy (well, I may be, but that's not the point) and the reason I prefer the latter is to reduce the noise. Less noise, more readability.

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                if (condition)
                {
                DoThis();
                }
                else
                {
                DoThat();
                }

                as opposed to:

                if (condition)
                DoThis();
                else
                DoThat();

                Pedants :sigh:

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                Marc Clifton
                wrote on last edited by
                #35

                Personally, for one line this-or-that... condition.IfTrue(()=>DoThis()).Else(()=>DoThat()); ;P Marc

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                • G glennPattonWork3

                  Way back in my College days the Software Lecturer told us (the class) it wasn't possible to do the above. I proved her wrong by writing a short Pascal (I think) program with no returns all on one line, ah Youth :)

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                  PIEBALDconsult
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #36

                  :thumbsup: Quite. The maturity of a programming language may (in part) be calculated by how many newlines are required. A proper language requires none.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    And why couldn't you write

                    if (condition)
                    {
                    this.DoThis();
                    }
                    else
                    {
                    this.DoThat();
                    }

                    Now this code is totally unambiguous :) Although I know some people who really hate this...

                    My blog[^]

                    public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                    {
                    public void DoWork()
                    {
                    throw new NotSupportedException();
                    }
                    }

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                    Nish Nishant
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #37

                    That looks good to me :-)

                    Regards, Nish


                    Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                    • M Mladen Jankovic

                      The decision which to use is simple: - follow the coding standard - if you don't have it, use whichever style is used in file/project - new project/file, use whatever you find more atheistically pleasing to you Personal atheistic preference is one of very few arguments that I can accept as valid in this "debate" (like in any other debate on any kind of style). The only argument that is supported by concrete numbers is saved on-screen space by the second style. All other arguments are largely unsubstantiated (maybe I'm wrong, but let me see some numbers) So don't go around calling people lazy just because they don't conform to your preference, it can make you look obnoxious. <edit> My preference: ?:. What' you gonna do now? <edit>

                      Commodore 64 emulator for Windows Phone

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                      enhzflep
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #38

                      Mladen Janković wrote:

                      So don't go around calling people lazy just because they don't conform to your preference, it can make you look obnoxious.

                      :thumbsup: ++Mladen.rep;

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                      • L Lost User

                        I know what you're saying; however, there are times I find the second one easier to read. For example, if I have several of those on a page the extra symbols spread stuff out. I still do it the first way, but there are times when the second is easier for me to read.

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                        Paulo Zemek
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #39

                        I agree with you. And I am actually the kind of person that when has to modify something like:

                        if (something)
                        {
                        DoA();
                        DoB();
                        }

                        To only call a DoAB(), I will go there and kill the extra { and }. So, I have more work doing that, but I keep consistency. So, it becomes:

                        if (something)
                        DoAB();

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                        • M Mladen Jankovic

                          The decision which to use is simple: - follow the coding standard - if you don't have it, use whichever style is used in file/project - new project/file, use whatever you find more atheistically pleasing to you Personal atheistic preference is one of very few arguments that I can accept as valid in this "debate" (like in any other debate on any kind of style). The only argument that is supported by concrete numbers is saved on-screen space by the second style. All other arguments are largely unsubstantiated (maybe I'm wrong, but let me see some numbers) So don't go around calling people lazy just because they don't conform to your preference, it can make you look obnoxious. <edit> My preference: ?:. What' you gonna do now? <edit>

                          Commodore 64 emulator for Windows Phone

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                          R Giskard Reventlov
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #40

                          Mladen Janković wrote:

                          it can make you look obnoxious.

                          But I am obnoxious

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                          • L Lost User

                            Do you really require 8 lines to convey 4 lines worth of information? Perhaps "begin" and "end" would be even more clear? How about "then"? :)

                            if (condition) then
                            begin
                            DoThis();
                            end
                            else
                            begin
                            DoThat();
                            end;

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                            Xmen Real
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                            #41

                            oh dear lord :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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                            • P Paulo Zemek

                              I agree with you. And I am actually the kind of person that when has to modify something like:

                              if (something)
                              {
                              DoA();
                              DoB();
                              }

                              To only call a DoAB(), I will go there and kill the extra { and }. So, I have more work doing that, but I keep consistency. So, it becomes:

                              if (something)
                              DoAB();

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                              Brady Kelly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #42

                              I prefer

                              if (something) DoAB();

                              for the latter. I never use it, but have recently come across it. It seems more readable to me.

                              No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                                if (condition)
                                {
                                DoThis();
                                }
                                else
                                {
                                DoThat();
                                }

                                as opposed to:

                                if (condition)
                                DoThis();
                                else
                                DoThat();

                                Pedants :sigh:

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                                Andy Brummer
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #43

                                If both branches are a single line, I prefer the second. However, I've seen too much of this abomination:

                                if (condition)
                                {
                                DoThis();
                                DoSomethingElse();
                                }
                                else
                                DoThat();

                                Curvature of the Mind now with 3D

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  it's still not worth the trade off of having really extra long files / routines

                                  It's really very much worth it. Look at it this way, if (it prevents a subtle bug from going into production (and dependent on your internal processes that chance may be a considerable risk)) { you may have saved that company downtime or wrong data and dependent on the size of that company a whole lot of money! } else { you just scroll a bit extra (it's negligable) and no one gets hurt... }

                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  so you can give them a hard time.

                                  If the new guy screws up I'm the one responsible and I can get to fix whatever he broke, so that joke's on me ;)

                                  My blog[^]

                                  public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                  {
                                  public void DoWork()
                                  {
                                  throw new NotSupportedException();
                                  }
                                  }

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                                  Brady Kelly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #44

                                  Your automated tests should prevent a subtle bug even making it into the testing environment.

                                  No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                                  • C Chris Losinger

                                    it certainly is harder to maintain. i can't count how many times i've had to fix something in code that only uses brackets when one or more statements are being controlled. so you get stuff like:

                                    for (i=0;i<10;i++)
                                    for (x=0;x<10;x++)
                                    if (xyz) foo()
                                    else for (z=0;z<10;z++)
                                    bazinga();
                                    bar();

                                    and then you have to spend precious brain wattage figuring out that bar(); has nothing to do with any of the rest of it. this isn't 1967, 3 bytes for a bracket and an CR/NL isn't going to run you out of punch cards. make the code readable!

                                    image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                                    Brady Kelly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #45

                                    Hear hear.

                                    No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                                    • C Chris Losinger

                                      it certainly is harder to maintain. i can't count how many times i've had to fix something in code that only uses brackets when one or more statements are being controlled. so you get stuff like:

                                      for (i=0;i<10;i++)
                                      for (x=0;x<10;x++)
                                      if (xyz) foo()
                                      else for (z=0;z<10;z++)
                                      bazinga();
                                      bar();

                                      and then you have to spend precious brain wattage figuring out that bar(); has nothing to do with any of the rest of it. this isn't 1967, 3 bytes for a bracket and an CR/NL isn't going to run you out of punch cards. make the code readable!

                                      image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                                      Andy Brummer
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                                      #46

                                      The rule that I have is that you omit the braces iff the statement is a simple single line. Also, if either branch needs braces then both get them, and loops always have braces.

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                                      • A Andy Brummer

                                        The rule that I have is that you omit the braces iff the statement is a simple single line. Also, if either branch needs braces then both get them, and loops always have braces.

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                                        Chris Losinger
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                                        #47

                                        but that's the start of the problem! someday, someone is going to have to come along and add some more logic in that if, and you've just forced them to do the work you should've done the first time! IMO

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                                        • C Chris Losinger

                                          but that's the start of the problem! someday, someone is going to have to come along and add some more logic in that if, and you've just forced them to do the work you should've done the first time! IMO

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                                          Andy Brummer
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                                          #48

                                          I understand your point of view, but still prefer my way of doing things. What I find more troubling is that after working on a bunch of javascript, I'm starting to prefer the old school C style brace layout.

                                          Curvature of the Mind now with 3D

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