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  • S snorkie

    Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I can only fit 112 characters across a sheet of (letter size) paper, so that's what I limit my lines to in whatever editor I'm using. It uses less than half the width of my screen, but at least that makes looking at diffs easier. :shrug:

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      I love ReSharper but I have to change a few things in the config options; max characters on a line is one of them. Eventually, all code will be written, one character per line.

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      Ron Nicholson
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      Isn't that where we came from? Oh wait, I think it was 3 characters per line in machine code. IIRC :confused:

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        I love ReSharper but I have to change a few things in the config options; max characters on a line is one of them. Eventually, all code will be written, one character per line.

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        Lost User
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        On my old computer the programs ask for the line width (of the attached terminal) at the start. If you just hit return, you will get one character per line.

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        • S snorkie

          Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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          snorkie wrote:

          The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get

          My wide monitor is wide enough that if I have two source files open side by side then I can see both. If the lines are short enough. If I see source code where most lines require a wide monitor to see them (or to scroll) I would expect that the source code has a problem.

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          How do those developers deal with paperback books?

          The random paperback book that I just picked up an counted one line had 54 characters. Rather certain that I have never read a paperback that had, say, 120 characters in a line. So not sure where your comment is going.

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          • P PIEBALDconsult

            I can only fit 112 characters across a sheet of (letter size) paper, so that's what I limit my lines to in whatever editor I'm using. It uses less than half the width of my screen, but at least that makes looking at diffs easier. :shrug:

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            dandy72
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            Last time I printed from VS, the default seemed to be 120 characters per line, so I tend to stick with that. Which also just so happens to fit quite nicely on a portrait-mode monitor (1920x1200) (1200x1920), plus one window docked vertically. I have two such monitors side-by-side, with VS stretched across both, plus a third one (1920x1080) set up in the standard landscape mode for everything else.

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              snorkie wrote:

              The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get

              My wide monitor is wide enough that if I have two source files open side by side then I can see both. If the lines are short enough. If I see source code where most lines require a wide monitor to see them (or to scroll) I would expect that the source code has a problem.

              snorkie wrote:

              How do those developers deal with paperback books?

              The random paperback book that I just picked up an counted one line had 54 characters. Rather certain that I have never read a paperback that had, say, 120 characters in a line. So not sure where your comment is going.

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              snorkie
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              My comment about books is related to word-wrap. Most developers I work with can't seem to code with word-wrap turned on. It seems as simple as reading a book. Since I read a fair amount, I have no issue coding with word wrap turned on, it just feels natural. Hogan

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                Last time I printed from VS, the default seemed to be 120 characters per line, so I tend to stick with that. Which also just so happens to fit quite nicely on a portrait-mode monitor (1920x1200) (1200x1920), plus one window docked vertically. I have two such monitors side-by-side, with VS stretched across both, plus a third one (1920x1080) set up in the standard landscape mode for everything else.

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                dandy72 wrote:

                printed from VS

                I don't do that; I use Word.

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                  Last time I printed from VS, the default seemed to be 120 characters per line, so I tend to stick with that. Which also just so happens to fit quite nicely on a portrait-mode monitor (1920x1200) (1200x1920), plus one window docked vertically. I have two such monitors side-by-side, with VS stretched across both, plus a third one (1920x1080) set up in the standard landscape mode for everything else.

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                  snorkie
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                  I can't remember the last time I printed anything! It isn't a consideration for anything I work on. Hogan

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                  • S snorkie

                    I can't remember the last time I printed anything! It isn't a consideration for anything I work on. Hogan

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                    dandy72
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                    I wasn't implying I print a lot of code. Given the number of monitor sizes/resolutions, I decided I had to settle on *something*, so a printed sheet of paper seemed to make sense to me at a time. Having to scroll code horizontally, just because I happen to occasionally be on a smaller display, is a tremendous hassle (I know, first-world problem)...so even the crappiest display I might be stuck using will probably be wide enough to show at least one file without scrolling.

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                      I wasn't implying I print a lot of code. Given the number of monitor sizes/resolutions, I decided I had to settle on *something*, so a printed sheet of paper seemed to make sense to me at a time. Having to scroll code horizontally, just because I happen to occasionally be on a smaller display, is a tremendous hassle (I know, first-world problem)...so even the crappiest display I might be stuck using will probably be wide enough to show at least one file without scrolling.

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                      snorkie
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                      Fair enough. To tackle this issue, I use word-wrap. I essentially have the same environment on any monitor without having to perform any special formatting. I find the extra wrapping of code harder to read, but it sounds like I'm in the minority. Hogan

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                      • S snorkie

                        Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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                        KarstenK
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                        Some monitors can be turned 90 degrees, so you can see a lot of lines, after changing the display mode :rolleyes:

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                        • S snorkie

                          Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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                          markus_code
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                          My "coding monitor" is rotated 90°. With short lines (my Vim configuration breaks them at 80 characters) I can still have 2 files in a vertical split and see their full horizontal contents. It works very well if you also use a terminal (I use tmux) that allows splits, since you can have a small window at the bottom for builds, or htop, or both :)

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                          • S snorkie

                            Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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                            Kiriander
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                            I love wide monitors, but I don't use the width for code. Instead, I use half the width for code and the other half for let's say documentation. Or the dubugee. Or something else.

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                              I love ReSharper but I have to change a few things in the config options; max characters on a line is one of them. Eventually, all code will be written, one character per line.

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                              SortaCore
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                              They worked out you can read faster with one word displayed at a time. So why not apply that to code too? Go through hundreds of lines in a few minutes and hope your instincts are attentive enough.

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                              • S snorkie

                                Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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                                User 10437904
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                                The human eye gets tired easily when being forced to scan across wide spans of text. That's why newspaper and magazine articles are split into columns.

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                                  snorkie wrote:

                                  The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get

                                  My wide monitor is wide enough that if I have two source files open side by side then I can see both. If the lines are short enough. If I see source code where most lines require a wide monitor to see them (or to scroll) I would expect that the source code has a problem.

                                  snorkie wrote:

                                  How do those developers deal with paperback books?

                                  The random paperback book that I just picked up an counted one line had 54 characters. Rather certain that I have never read a paperback that had, say, 120 characters in a line. So not sure where your comment is going.

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                                  I believe the point was if you can comprehend many characters per line in other media, why not in code. Paperback was a bad example but much written text has 100+ characters per line. Put another way, inability to read long code lines does not seem like the cause of short code lines.

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                                    The human eye gets tired easily when being forced to scan across wide spans of text. That's why newspaper and magazine articles are split into columns.

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                                    snorkie
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                                    Maybe I'm not human... :-\ Hogan

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                                    • S SortaCore

                                      They worked out you can read faster with one word displayed at a time. So why not apply that to code too? Go through hundreds of lines in a few minutes and hope your instincts are attentive enough.

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                                      snorkie
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                                      Thanks for the link, that was cool! I was surprised I could easily do the 700 WPM. Though that might be a bit more difficult with code. Was that one { or three? Hogan

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                                        They worked out you can read faster with one word displayed at a time. So why not apply that to code too? Go through hundreds of lines in a few minutes and hope your instincts are attentive enough.

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                                        Dan Neely
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                                        Too lazy to find them now; but that's been thoroughly trashed (from the good idea standpoint) by experts in reading/comprehension in that what it mostly does is prevent you from doing all the extra processing needed to correctly understand non-trivial sentence structure or anything that requires thought.

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                                        • S snorkie

                                          Is it just me, or are developers becoming afraid of wide monitors? The more source code I look at, the shorter the lines seem to get. Tools like ReSharper only seem to exacerbate the issue. Code that would easily fit on one line now takes up two or three. How do those developers deal with paperback books? Is this common outside of the Visual Studio world? Hogan

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                                          Ygnaiih
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                                          I actually have and like a wide monitor. I do break up a line when something in that line is more readable in a second line. I do this often in SQL like: … From tblMain m Left join tblPoop p On m.thing = p. thing. That helps to tame the dyslexia for me.

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