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  • P Paul Watson

    brianwelsch wrote: the fact that I have a possibility to be mostly ignorant of the war shows that I am by and large untouched by it all. Good way of putting across what I mean. Thanks. brianwelsch wrote: And this morning I'm dealing with a very slow internet connection Odd. Internet is running normal speed here.

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
    Cape Town, South Africa

    Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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    Paul Watson wrote: Internet is running normal speed here. Actually, its mostly news sites that are slow for me. Just didn't realize it at first. :-O BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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    • B Brakanjan

      Sean Winstead wrote: Or is it that the US maintained some peace wow, isn't it convenient to maintain world peace and protect your oil assets in one go. And don't forget boosting that supreme Amarican moral, increasing the value of the Dollar etc. This Bush must be really clever...

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      Gary Kirkham
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      Cois wrote: and protect your oil assets in one go Which oil assets? AFAIK, the US has no oil assets in Iraq. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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      • P Paul Watson

        Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? Sitting in our westernised countries, watching from afar. I still visited GameSpot today, got irritated with VB.NET as usual, had clients calling and faxing through sign-offs. We visited some new office premises, had a breakfast meeting with some old boys, interviewed a couple of chapies for a new position. Sure we chat about the war. We read about the war. We play at arm chair generals and do some desktop politics. Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand while the Big Issue vendor tried to get my attention by dancing a jig. The soccer mom drove past in her X5 taking the kids to ballet and piano practice. Even more to the point was: A newspaper that Bluegrass is helping out with was being launched today, I had some photos published in it and was quite keen to find out what was going on. Turns out that the established South African paper already in London literally hijacked the launch. They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. We know the guy who runs the other paper and he is a typical upper crust, old boy, what, what type. He was rather miffed at hearing about us upstarts coming along and trying to ruin his pet project (he is big time rich, does not need to lift a finger for the rest of his life, the newspaper is his pet project.) So there he sat, Iraqis about to die, Americans and Brits about to charge into the unknown. Markets unsure, many deals waiting the outcome, every paper covered in the war and he decides to hijack an upstart newspaper... I just found that extremely odd. It's like the younger son hijacking his brothers wedding by announcing he is gay. It is bizarre. You sit for awhile trying to wrap your mind around the thought processes of that person and you just can't. We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. Amazing stuff.

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        Felix Gartsman
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        Paul Watson wrote: Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? I guess you don't carry your gas mask with you...

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          Paul Watson wrote: Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? I guess you don't carry your gas mask with you...

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          Felix Gartsman wrote: I guess you don't carry your gas mask with you... Pardon? Do you carry a gas mask?

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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          • P Paul Watson

            Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? Sitting in our westernised countries, watching from afar. I still visited GameSpot today, got irritated with VB.NET as usual, had clients calling and faxing through sign-offs. We visited some new office premises, had a breakfast meeting with some old boys, interviewed a couple of chapies for a new position. Sure we chat about the war. We read about the war. We play at arm chair generals and do some desktop politics. Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand while the Big Issue vendor tried to get my attention by dancing a jig. The soccer mom drove past in her X5 taking the kids to ballet and piano practice. Even more to the point was: A newspaper that Bluegrass is helping out with was being launched today, I had some photos published in it and was quite keen to find out what was going on. Turns out that the established South African paper already in London literally hijacked the launch. They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. We know the guy who runs the other paper and he is a typical upper crust, old boy, what, what type. He was rather miffed at hearing about us upstarts coming along and trying to ruin his pet project (he is big time rich, does not need to lift a finger for the rest of his life, the newspaper is his pet project.) So there he sat, Iraqis about to die, Americans and Brits about to charge into the unknown. Markets unsure, many deals waiting the outcome, every paper covered in the war and he decides to hijack an upstart newspaper... I just found that extremely odd. It's like the younger son hijacking his brothers wedding by announcing he is gay. It is bizarre. You sit for awhile trying to wrap your mind around the thought processes of that person and you just can't. We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. Amazing stuff.

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            David Wulff
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            Paul Watson wrote: Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Is South Africa a popular destination for Danes then? :eek:


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            • P Paul Watson

              Felix Gartsman wrote: I guess you don't carry your gas mask with you... Pardon? Do you carry a gas mask?

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

              Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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              Felix Gartsman
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              It's a national order to carry gas masks everywhere...

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              • G Gary Kirkham

                Cois wrote: and protect your oil assets in one go Which oil assets? AFAIK, the US has no oil assets in Iraq. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                KaRl
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                Gary Kirkham wrote: the US has no oil assets in Iraq the US has no oil assets in Iraq, yet :|


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                • D David Wulff

                  Paul Watson wrote: Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Is South Africa a popular destination for Danes then? :eek:


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                  brianwelsch
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                  I wouldn't think so if they are going to be eaten for lunch. :omg: ;P BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                  • K KaRl

                    Gary Kirkham wrote: the US has no oil assets in Iraq the US has no oil assets in Iraq, yet :|


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                    Anti-War/Anti-Bush people claimed that Desert Storm was "About the Oil". The question still remains, where is all of the oil we (the US) aquired after the last war? It doesn't exist! The argument didn't hold water then...it doesn't hold water now. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                    • B Brakanjan

                      Sean Winstead wrote: Or is it that the US maintained some peace wow, isn't it convenient to maintain world peace and protect your oil assets in one go. And don't forget boosting that supreme Amarican moral, increasing the value of the Dollar etc. This Bush must be really clever...

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                      Paul Belikian
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                      Uh Cois, you didn't talk about Russia and France protecting their oil interest did you?

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                      • G Gary Kirkham

                        Anti-War/Anti-Bush people claimed that Desert Storm was "About the Oil". The question still remains, where is all of the oil we (the US) aquired after the last war? It doesn't exist! The argument didn't hold water then...it doesn't hold water now. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                        KaRl
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                        Thanks to GW1 Us secured oil from Saudi Arabia and Koweit, with a military presence. Where's all the oil? in SUV, to sum-up. US are the biggest consumers of Oil through the entire World.


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                        • B brianwelsch

                          I wouldn't think so if they are going to be eaten for lunch. :omg: ;P BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                          David Wulff
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                          Well I dunno... that would be an incentive for me to take longer lunch breaks. :-O


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                          • F Felix Gartsman

                            It's a national order to carry gas masks everywhere...

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                            Paul Watson
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                            Felix Gartsman wrote: It's a national order to carry gas masks everywhere... Where is this? (Can't see your location in your profile)

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                              Well I dunno... that would be an incentive for me to take longer lunch breaks. :-O


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                              brianwelsch
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                              :laugh: BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                              • K KaRl

                                Thanks to GW1 Us secured oil from Saudi Arabia and Koweit, with a military presence. Where's all the oil? in SUV, to sum-up. US are the biggest consumers of Oil through the entire World.


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                                Gary Kirkham
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                                So are you saying that the US didn't buy oil from OPEC (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and others) before Desert Storm? KaЯl wrote: US are the biggest consumers of Oil through the entire World That may be so, but it is not Iraqi oil. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                                • G Gary Kirkham

                                  So are you saying that the US didn't buy oil from OPEC (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and others) before Desert Storm? KaЯl wrote: US are the biggest consumers of Oil through the entire World That may be so, but it is not Iraqi oil. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                                  KaRl
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                                  IMO, western societies are highly dependant on oil, a strategical resource. It seems logical from the US point of view to ensure the flow coming from middle east will continue. Moreover, US have clearly said by the rejection of Kyoto protocol they refuse to change their way of consuming natural resources, and would continue to increase their needs. Control of Iraqi fields could be a solution to match the difference, without drilling in Alaska, for example. I don't think oil is the main reason for an US invasion, but I think it's definitively one. The economical side of this war is far from being negligeable: From the NY times, quoting the WSJ (need free registration): "Back in January, an article in The Wall Street Journal noted: "With oil reserves second only to Saudi Arabia's, Iraq would offer the oil industry enormous opportunity should a war topple Saddam Hussein. But the early spoils would probably go to companies needed to keep Iraq's already rundown oil operations running, especially if facilities were further damaged in a war. Oil-services firms such as Halliburton Co., where Vice President Dick Cheney formerly served as chief executive, and Schlumberger Ltd. are seen as favorites for what could be as much as $1.5 billion in contracts."


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                                  • T Tim Smith

                                    Saddam has already said he will be using chem weapons. I guess those are the ones he destroyed. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                    Lost User
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                                    I did not see that news at all. When did he say that? I just looked at BBC, FOX and CNN. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

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                                    • P Paul Watson

                                      Felix Gartsman wrote: It's a national order to carry gas masks everywhere... Where is this? (Can't see your location in your profile)

                                      Paul Watson
                                      Bluegrass
                                      Cape Town, South Africa

                                      Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                                      Felix Gartsman
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                                      Paul Watson wrote: Where is this? Israel Paul Watson wrote: (Can't see your location in your profile) Sorry, just updated it.

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                                        Paul Watson wrote: Where is this? Israel Paul Watson wrote: (Can't see your location in your profile) Sorry, just updated it.

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                                        Paul Watson
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                                        Felix Gartsman wrote: Israel Ahhh, ok now I see. No offense but my post certainly did not include people in Israel, Palestine, the Congo, Chechneya etc. We know war, terror etc. affects them. But a majority here on CP are not affected by the war.

                                        Paul Watson
                                        Bluegrass
                                        Cape Town, South Africa

                                        Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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