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  • P PhilLenoir

    I had to share this lunacy from Fox News: clickety[^]I heard the report on BBC World News earlier and couldn't believe my ears. the highlights:

    • Birmingham is almost totally Muslim
    • There are parts of London where "Muslim Police" will beat you if you are not wearing Muslim attire (whatever that might be!)

    One Tweet in response was to the effect "Do I need a passport to go to Birmingham". Fox is clearly wanting to establish itself as the National Enquirer of TV. To come: Reports of Elvis and ET partying in Soho.

    Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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    Ian Shlasko
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    PhilLenoir wrote:

    I had to share this lunacy from Fox News

    Nice... Redundancy and an oxy-moron in the same sentence fragment. :laugh: Seriously, though... Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days?

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    • P PhilLenoir

      So you're suggesting that Fox has no responsibility for airing a report without checking the facts. The facts are so wide of the mark here that, in IMO, Fox shares as much of the blame as the reporter. Editors exist for a purpose. ... and it would be the same whatever the organization that aired the story was. I refute bias on my part other than the observation that the entire Murdoch organization actually has a track record of poor and sensationalist reporting. I don't watch Fox for that reason and the fail is on their part.

      Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      We are talking live TV here. Are you suggesting there should be a time delay whilst facts are being checked? Or how are you suggesting that the editor get involved? I agree, BTW, that the interviewer should have been incredulous about some of the interviewees' statements.

      PhilLenoir wrote:

      I refute bias on my part

      Accepted.

      PhilLenoir wrote:

      entire Murdoch organization

      Hmm. Wouldn't know, personally.

      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        PhilLenoir wrote:

        I had to share this lunacy from Fox News

        Nice... Redundancy and an oxy-moron in the same sentence fragment. :laugh: Seriously, though... Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days?

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        Ian Shlasko wrote:

        Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days

        I thought they were the aiming group.

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        • I Ian Shlasko

          PhilLenoir wrote:

          I had to share this lunacy from Fox News

          Nice... Redundancy and an oxy-moron in the same sentence fragment. :laugh: Seriously, though... Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days?

          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
          Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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          Seriously?

          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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          • I Ian Shlasko

            PhilLenoir wrote:

            I had to share this lunacy from Fox News

            Nice... Redundancy and an oxy-moron in the same sentence fragment. :laugh: Seriously, though... Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days?

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
            Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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            Roger Wright
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            I would place Fox ahead of any other major network for honest reporting. The outright lies promulgated by CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC and other MSMs are unbelievable. Fox does its share, of course, for that's what sells advertising. But they don't go out of their way to promote pure drivel to suck up to the current administration like all the other seem to do. But none of them - Fox included -is worthy of being used as a primary source of information. A talking head with a sound bite is worth a thousandth word. I like my news written, and competently reviewed.

            Will Rogers never met me.

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            • P PhilLenoir

              I had to share this lunacy from Fox News: clickety[^]I heard the report on BBC World News earlier and couldn't believe my ears. the highlights:

              • Birmingham is almost totally Muslim
              • There are parts of London where "Muslim Police" will beat you if you are not wearing Muslim attire (whatever that might be!)

              One Tweet in response was to the effect "Do I need a passport to go to Birmingham". Fox is clearly wanting to establish itself as the National Enquirer of TV. To come: Reports of Elvis and ET partying in Soho.

              Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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              R Giskard Reventlov
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              PhilLenoir wrote:

              Birmingham is almost totally Muslim

              It isn't but it just feels that way. Maybe he meant Luton or Bradford. Or Leicester. Or East Ham.

              PhilLenoir wrote:

              There are parts of London where "Muslim Police" will beat you if you are not wearing Muslim attire (whatever that might be!)

              That bit, allegedly, was supposedly true. Sharia Patrols [^] and London, sharia patrols [^]

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              • I Ian Shlasko

                PhilLenoir wrote:

                I had to share this lunacy from Fox News

                Nice... Redundancy and an oxy-moron in the same sentence fragment. :laugh: Seriously, though... Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days?

                Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                Is "redundant oxymoron" ipso facto oxymoronical, as well as recursive, then ? If one asserts that adjective-X and object-Y is an oxymoron, does that imply object-Y can also exist in a state Z where adjective-X does not apply ? Or, must oxymoronicism involve an absolute assertion that object-x's adjective-y is always antinomical ? Take the classic oxymoron attributed to Ronald Reagan, "peacekeeper missile;" does it not assert that it is an oxymoron only because the noun, "missile," can never have the attribute "peacekeeper" in ordinary usage ? But, if one asserts "Fox News' lunacy" ... which I interpret as a noun-adjective ordering of "lunatic Fox News" ... is an oxymoron, does one then assert that "Fox News" in ordinary usage can never have the attribute "lunatic" ? I opine that if the intent of the claimer-of-oxymoronical status is to equate said News service with lunacy as an immutably constant relationship, then the statement is not an oxymoron, but, merely, redundant. However, if it is, indeed, an oxymoron, then is it an oxymoron of a special nature; a meta-oxymoron, or recursive oxymoron ? More research is needed.

                «What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning» Werner Heisenberg

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                • P PhilLenoir

                  Bill, I'm not trying to have a go at political or religious beliefs. You are correct, that would be the place to go for such a thing. I posted this here because I find it hilarious. I'm amazed that anyone can find any religious of political bias in the post.

                  Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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                  PhilLenoir wrote:

                  I posted this here because I find it hilarious. I'm amazed that anyone can find any religious of political bias in the post.

                  I find this as disingenuous as the original post: are you claiming you were actually unaware that in posting a statement like this, in this Forum, that it would provoke political and religious response and debate on a forum like this ? That for some Fox News is gospel while CNN is anti-gospel, and vice-versa ? If so, how I wish I could enjoy the blessings of such naivete, for I have yet to see a sacred cow I didn't want to tip-over for the sheer joy of contrariness :)

                  «What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning» Werner Heisenberg

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    It's interesting how when some incompetent news reporter on Fox News fails to properly do his/her job it's a problem with "Fox News", but when a similarly incompetent reporter on some other news organization fails to do his/her job it's a problem with that reporter, not with the news organization employing the reporter. Fail.

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                    Of course it's a problem with Fox News, they employ this dimwit.

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                    • I Ian Shlasko

                      PhilLenoir wrote:

                      I had to share this lunacy from Fox News

                      Nice... Redundancy and an oxy-moron in the same sentence fragment. :laugh: Seriously, though... Does anyone with half a brain take Fox News seriously these days?

                      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                      Does anyone with half a brain take ANY mainstream news media organization seriously?

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                      • B BillWoodruff

                        PhilLenoir wrote:

                        I posted this here because I find it hilarious. I'm amazed that anyone can find any religious of political bias in the post.

                        I find this as disingenuous as the original post: are you claiming you were actually unaware that in posting a statement like this, in this Forum, that it would provoke political and religious response and debate on a forum like this ? That for some Fox News is gospel while CNN is anti-gospel, and vice-versa ? If so, how I wish I could enjoy the blessings of such naivete, for I have yet to see a sacred cow I didn't want to tip-over for the sheer joy of contrariness :)

                        «What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning» Werner Heisenberg

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                        Bill, yes I am. I'm not a fan of CNN either. We Brits have a very robust sense of humour and that is exactly what I'm projecting here. This story would be tantamount to a non US news source stating something like "If you aren't openly carrying an automatic weapon and wearing an anti-government badge in Montana you'd be shot". The story was truly preposterous and well worthy of being ridiculed. It is at about the broadcast media equivalent of a National Enquirer story. That was, and still is, my perspective. I'm confused and slightly troubled that anyone should attach themselves to a media channel in the way you describe. I have no idea who made the quote "When we stop laughing, we're in trouble", but that's pretty much how I feel. I'm not suggesting that making fun of Fox is as dangerous as making fun of Islam, but there's obviously a spectrum of intolerance. My post was not a trolling attempt and your assertion that my original post and my response were disingenuous assumes facts not in evidence. I'm pretty certain that this is the first time in my life that I've been accused of such. I believe that I'm open and forthright, which does mean that I upset people from time-to-time, even though I don't go out of my way to do so. Neither am I left wing. I also love tipping at sacred cows, but I truly had no idea that anyone held Fox (or CNN) as one. Perhaps, as a naturalized Canadian I should understand the American psyche better, but clearly in this case I don't have a clue.

                        Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                          It's interesting how when some incompetent news reporter on Fox News fails to properly do his/her job it's a problem with "Fox News", but when a similarly incompetent reporter on some other news organization fails to do his/her job it's a problem with that reporter, not with the news organization employing the reporter. Fail.

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          It's a basic tenet of (good) organizations that the higher levels accept the blame for what goes wrong while passing praise for what goes right to the lower levels. (Bad organizations do it the other way around of course.)

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                            Of course it's a problem with Fox News, they employ this dimwit.

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                            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                            Most news organizations employ dimwits. So the question is why is Fox News singled out when they're no more or less guilty as any other organization?

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                            • P PIEBALDconsult

                              It's a basic tenet of (good) organizations that the higher levels accept the blame for what goes wrong while passing praise for what goes right to the lower levels. (Bad organizations do it the other way around of course.)

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                              Agreed. But we're talking about outside criticism here. Why the bias against FNC?

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                Most news organizations employ dimwits. So the question is why is Fox News singled out when they're no more or less guilty as any other organization?

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                                why is Fox News singled out

                                Because they are the channel that transmitted this guy's ridiculous comments. I am not sure why that upsets you so much.

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                                  why is Fox News singled out

                                  Because they are the channel that transmitted this guy's ridiculous comments. I am not sure why that upsets you so much.

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                                  Because nobody makes similar pronouncements ridiculing MSNBC when it broadcasts similar asinine statements by left-wingers.

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                    Because nobody makes similar pronouncements ridiculing MSNBC when it broadcasts similar asinine statements by left-wingers.

                                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                    I'm sure they do.

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                                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                      Agreed. But we're talking about outside criticism here. Why the bias against FNC?

                                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                      What bias? One of their 'experts' made some totally stupid comments, so they are due a measure of fair criticism.

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                                        I'm sure they do.

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                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          What bias? One of their 'experts' made some totally stupid comments, so they are due a measure of fair criticism.

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                                          The bias comes in the form of only knocking FNC for such and also for requiring editorial intervention during live TV.

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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