"Cloud computing" make me cringe.
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Similar - but at least with the NC you kept the data in-house, and available over a fast (for the time) link. And you knew who to shout at (or more usually beg to) when it went missing...try that with a data centre half a world away and run out of the back of a cyber cafe! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I remember the "thin client" period... in my nightmares. Citrix lives in my personal shit pit along with lotus, synamtec and quite a few others.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Leng Vang wrote:
It must be just me.
Nope. I can't think of a better way to do things than to hand all your data over to the lowest bidder to look after, to backup, to not steal, and to protect from everybody else. It's like the world is trying to go back to the "mainframe" model that we worked so hard to get away from when the PC became main-stream...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
OriginalGriff wrote:
It's like the world is trying to go back to the "mainframe" model that we worked so hard to get away from when the PC became main-stream...
And Windows 8 is a big step back in the direction of the dumb terminal...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
Could be that I agree with you[^].
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
Might I suggest a distinction between Cloud Storage and Cloud Computing. Cloud computing is the technology used by SETI and similar organisations in performing analysis of data that would tie up a dozen Cray computers for over a year. Cloud storage is the volume of file servers offered by Google, et al for filing those documents that will be forgotten until the next millennium.
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It's just another tool in our arsenal. ... and like all "new" technology tools, it becomes the new "new" thing. Market analysts and CIO's drink the Kool Aid and go in to rapture, consultants jump on the gravy train and our worlds become a little more chaotic for a while. Linux was going to be the end of MS, Netflix was going to be the end of movie theatres, ... way to many examples to list, but you get the drift. After a while there's a collective shaking of heads, sense is (somewhat) restored and we get on with doing what we do. We might even find the new tool appropriately useful and start using it. ... and, of course, if it isn't new, give it a new, catchy name!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
Here, I corrected your "mistakes" for you:
PhilLenoir wrote:
It's just another buzzword in management's arsenal.
Fixed! :-D
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
Think of it as just another back up. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
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Think of it as just another back up. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
And don't store any of those "private" selfies with your data.
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
No one mentioned the nebulous feeling you get, as if everything is up in the air.
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People have been saving data on servers since the beginning of servers. Cloud is a fancy term for servers/server farms. So, you have been at risk since day one.
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Leng Vang wrote:
It must be just me.
Nope. I can't think of a better way to do things than to hand all your data over to the lowest bidder to look after, to backup, to not steal, and to protect from everybody else. It's like the world is trying to go back to the "mainframe" model that we worked so hard to get away from when the PC became main-stream...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
OriginalGriff wrote:
It's like the world is trying to go back to the "mainframe" model that we worked so hard to get away from when the PC became main-stream...
Yeah. In the 35 years or so that I've been in the field that's been my observation. Things keep flopping back-and-forth. First mainframes with dumb terminals, then PC's where your data is really yours, then an attempt at "dumb" terminals again (remember the Web Terminal?) then to Client/Server, then to Web, then to "cloud".
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There's a vast difference between internal servers and external servers. You have control over the internal servers. You do not have control over external servers, especially the security of external servers.
Fletcher Glenn
No. but Google, etc. would go out of business if they could not keep their cloud servers secure(ish). I completely agree with the view point that if a hacker want's in, bad enough, they will get in. The only other alternative, is to live in a cave in total isolation from the world.
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
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People have been saving data on servers since the beginning of servers. Cloud is a fancy term for servers/server farms. So, you have been at risk since day one.
I agreed that data has been stored on servers. The "Cloud" I'm referring to are those that like Google, Amazon or MS Azure where everything is off loaded to third party to house and manage. Snowden kept pop into my head where we can make technologies safeguard intrusions, but that system admin who has complete control and can access everything on the farm, which I'm not ready to trust him.
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Leng Vang wrote:
government
They not in that businesses...I know of government projects where no internet and the networking between sites is done over protected, private lines...So no cloud there and there will not be...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Leng Vang wrote:
I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data.
Imagine what could have happened if a goverment had unrestricted access to digital communication and could outlaw encryption, say, in Europe, roughly sixty years ago? Again, it is not about the situation now - we now obviously have trustworthy politicians - it is about what can (and eventually, somewhere, will) happen. And sadly quite often, wartime changes the rules of what is private and what is required to win.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I agreed that data has been stored on servers. The "Cloud" I'm referring to are those that like Google, Amazon or MS Azure where everything is off loaded to third party to house and manage. Snowden kept pop into my head where we can make technologies safeguard intrusions, but that system admin who has complete control and can access everything on the farm, which I'm not ready to trust him.
Leng Vang wrote:
but that system admin who has complete control and can access everything on the farm, which I'm not ready to trust him.
Point well taken.
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It's just another tool in our arsenal. ... and like all "new" technology tools, it becomes the new "new" thing. Market analysts and CIO's drink the Kool Aid and go in to rapture, consultants jump on the gravy train and our worlds become a little more chaotic for a while. Linux was going to be the end of MS, Netflix was going to be the end of movie theatres, ... way to many examples to list, but you get the drift. After a while there's a collective shaking of heads, sense is (somewhat) restored and we get on with doing what we do. We might even find the new tool appropriately useful and start using it. ... and, of course, if it isn't new, give it a new, catchy name!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Yeah, trusty politician. Obama just open a new legislation to allow government access private data, if approved, it makes me cringe even more about cloud computing.
Leng Vang wrote:
Obama just open a new legislation to allow government access private data
A Dutch proverb tells you to trust your host as much as he trusts you. Cringing is not good enough. Once you realize the danger, you'll loose some sleep. What companies decide to do is up to them; little is really lost if a company ceases to exist. Decide for yourself if you want to give away information - in the wrong time, your life could depend on a FaceBook post.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Companies and government entities all thinking or gone to the cloud, but it gives me an uneasy feeling, perhaps fear of privacy breach, whenever I hear cloud computing. I can trust the security technology but I just don't trust the people handling my data. It must be just me.
