[WAR] US Patriot hits British plane
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Quite a co-incidence but I re-watched We Were Soldiers just last night with my dad. Good movie, certainly more for the battle field sense than for anything else though. Blach Hawk Down IMO had more impact on me as a "this is what it is like" movie. Un-relenting chaos. Though WWS showed the indescriminatory nature of war. Of all things the thing I fear and hate about me personally going into a war the most is how who lives and who dies is based on so little. The way a band of men charge a line and there is no rhyme or reason as to which of them is shot and which is not, who falls and who does not. You step right, he steps left, he dies, you don't. You kneel to tie your laces, he remains standing, you die, he does not. That bit scares me no end. Also in WWS I liked that they showed the enemy as living, breathing, caring humans. Most Vietnam movies portray the Vietcong as heartless monsters. You say you were a vet of Desert Strike. Were you in the thick of things? If so I would think chaps like you would sneer at movie representations of the battle field.
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Paul Watson wrote: You say you were a vet of Desert Strike. Were you in the thick of things? Yes, as much as you can be being on an aircraft carrier(USS Carl Vinson which is now in Korea, she is the best Carrier in the Pacific fleet, IMO). I was in Desert Strike which was in '96, most people get this confused with Desert Storm. We were only supposed to be in the Persian Gulf for 3 months, but we were extended another month. I was an AK, Aviational Storekeeper. My main job during West Pac(our 6 month cruise) was working a daily report called the "Suspense Report" we had two software applications for keeping track of the aircraft parts, alone with other supply materials, and ordering them. They both, in theory, were in sink(sink?) with eachother, but some transactions to did transfer over, then it would show up on my report. On hand balance is a major factor in keeping the planes flying, if things got to out of wack, the birds could be down for days, instead of operational. That West Pac we set a record for fewest "Off Ships" meaning, we didn't have to look elsewhere for parts we couldn't find onboard. Things we intense those 4 months, we were all doing our duties. I kind of miss it.:-D Later,
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Anybody know Arabic here? I want to blast letter to that fucking Al-Jazeera channel who showed the Americans on the video. I went to http://www.aljazeera.net site, but damn it's only in arabic. :mad: I think that fucking channel wants gain popularity by this war. US should bomb their fucking headquarters.. I think I will write the letter to Whitehouse about this channel. It's really disgusting, barbaric....:| X| Don't :beer: and drive.
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As for as i've heared the Geneva convention only stops people filming it. Anyone is allowed to show it. However ethics should state that networks shouldn't show it because it breaks the convention. Anyone know any different?
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Web Designer, Programmer, Lover, Visionary Leader... Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]I think the difference was that the Iraqi state television actually was "interviewing" the soldiers. That and the fact all the dead soldiers were shot in the head.:mad: I have seen pictures of Iraqi soldiers captured that were filmed by news crews, hover, I haven't seen (or heard of) them being interviewed. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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I must say I am amazed at how much you guys are following this war. Are you junkies or do you really care so much? FYI I am just curious. Not trying to come across as uncaring or a heartless bastard.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Yea I care greatly, I have friends over there. I support the war as being a sad necessity. I spent time in the Navy during the 80's and I feel at least a kinship with these guys. These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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If all goes tits-up and America start killing more Brits, I am fortunate to be able to bugger off to the Rep. of Ireland. Being a national of a neutral country has its perks :-)
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Yea I care greatly, I have friends over there. I support the war as being a sad necessity. I spent time in the Navy during the 80's and I feel at least a kinship with these guys. These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. i've seen a few interviews of soldiers who are a little unsure of GWB's motives (being in NC, with a half dozen bases, we get a lot of military news). they're doing their "job", but not without some personal uncertainty of the goal. that sucks. of course, i've seen a few interviews where the soldiers are all gung-ho and seem like they just want to get some shooting done. but, i guess you need some of that attitude to do the job 100%. -c
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Doug Goulden wrote: These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. i've seen a few interviews of soldiers who are a little unsure of GWB's motives (being in NC, with a half dozen bases, we get a lot of military news). they're doing their "job", but not without some personal uncertainty of the goal. that sucks. of course, i've seen a few interviews where the soldiers are all gung-ho and seem like they just want to get some shooting done. but, i guess you need some of that attitude to do the job 100%. -c
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I would bet that the gung ho part is also partly fear or uncertainty. Not saying it to talk anybody down, but I think that anyone who realizes what war really is can't help being at least concerned Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Yea I care greatly, I have friends over there. I support the war as being a sad necessity. I spent time in the Navy during the 80's and I feel at least a kinship with these guys. These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. hee, funny I was thinking of modifying my sig to: USN Veteran 94-98[^] I fought for you, what have you done for me? <just added> or I fought to protect your freedom, what have you done for me? </just added> but I think my message might get misinterpreted, just to support the troops over there, esp. since this is a global community. Later,
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I must say I am amazed at how much you guys are following this war. Are you junkies or do you really care so much? FYI I am just curious. Not trying to come across as uncaring or a heartless bastard.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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A Royal Air Force plane is listed as missing after a US Patriot missile hit it. "I can confirm that the British plane was hit by a Patriot," a US Central Command official said here. "The crew is missing." The official, who asked not to be named, gave no more details. A Ministry of Defence official in London earlier said the plane was missing after an operational mission and "might have been engaged by a US-operated Patriot missile battery near the Kuwaiti border". Report...[^] Recently so many mistakes happening in this war.. X| Don't :beer: and drive.
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Anybody know Arabic here? I want to blast letter to that fucking Al-Jazeera channel who showed the Americans on the video. I went to http://www.aljazeera.net site, but damn it's only in arabic. :mad: I think that fucking channel wants gain popularity by this war. US should bomb their fucking headquarters.. I think I will write the letter to Whitehouse about this channel. It's really disgusting, barbaric....:| X| Don't :beer: and drive.
Kant wrote: US should bomb their f***ing headquarters.. It is located in a country where the largest aircraft base of US is present in the Gulf. Kant wrote: I went to http://www.aljazeera.net site, but damn it's only in arabic. Then just go to cnn.com and make yourself happy by reading one sided news. Kant wrote: I want to blast letter to that f***ing Al-Jazeera channel who showed the Americans on the video. US channels were the first to show the what they call Iraqi prisoners on Video. And Iraqi information minister announced in advance that if any American channel try to demoralize their people or army then they also do the same and thats why before releasing the tapes to television, they made announcement.
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Yea I care greatly, I have friends over there. I support the war as being a sad necessity. I spent time in the Navy during the 80's and I feel at least a kinship with these guys. These people are all volunteers who are fighting for what they believe in. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Do the soldiers on the ground really believe in this fight? I mean, what if I was one of them and when the order came to ship out what would happen if I said "No, this is not a just war, I will be fighting only because you ordered me to, not because I believe in the cause." I know most of the soldiers are career chaps and not conscripts. But that does not mean each and every one or even a majority believe in the war. I guess though if you make your career the army, navy or airforce that you also take on the burden of trusting in your commander in chief.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Anybody know Arabic here? I want to blast letter to that fucking Al-Jazeera channel who showed the Americans on the video. I went to http://www.aljazeera.net site, but damn it's only in arabic. :mad: I think that fucking channel wants gain popularity by this war. US should bomb their fucking headquarters.. I think I will write the letter to Whitehouse about this channel. It's really disgusting, barbaric....:| X| Don't :beer: and drive.
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Do the soldiers on the ground really believe in this fight? I mean, what if I was one of them and when the order came to ship out what would happen if I said "No, this is not a just war, I will be fighting only because you ordered me to, not because I believe in the cause." I know most of the soldiers are career chaps and not conscripts. But that does not mean each and every one or even a majority believe in the war. I guess though if you make your career the army, navy or airforce that you also take on the burden of trusting in your commander in chief.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
The guys that I have talked to, and the experience I have had is that people in the military feel very strongly that they are protecting their country. We all took oaths to "protect and defend" the United States and most of the people take that seriously. A lot of the people who enter the military do so to have a job, but at the same time you know that you have another purpose. I would say that the vast majority of the US military supports this effort. I have heard of people who joined up just because of 9/11. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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A Royal Air Force plane is listed as missing after a US Patriot missile hit it. "I can confirm that the British plane was hit by a Patriot," a US Central Command official said here. "The crew is missing." The official, who asked not to be named, gave no more details. A Ministry of Defence official in London earlier said the plane was missing after an operational mission and "might have been engaged by a US-operated Patriot missile battery near the Kuwaiti border". Report...[^] Recently so many mistakes happening in this war.. X| Don't :beer: and drive.
Kant wrote: Recently so many mistakes happening in this war.. TO be honest I think mistakes should be expected but this was a very big fuck-up [Forgive my language].. 1 of the two planes managed to avoid the missile so it's strange what happened to the second. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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I thought the Patriot's had an internal FoF (Firend or Foe) system to avoid that. I bet a VBer has a job at Raytheon. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Kant wrote: US should bomb their f***ing headquarters.. It is located in a country where the largest aircraft base of US is present in the Gulf. Kant wrote: I went to http://www.aljazeera.net site, but damn it's only in arabic. Then just go to cnn.com and make yourself happy by reading one sided news. Kant wrote: I want to blast letter to that f***ing Al-Jazeera channel who showed the Americans on the video. US channels were the first to show the what they call Iraqi prisoners on Video. And Iraqi information minister announced in advance that if any American channel try to demoralize their people or army then they also do the same and thats why before releasing the tapes to television, they made announcement.
Shah Shehpori wrote: US channels were the first to show the what they call Iraqi prisoners on Video. But the coalition didn't interviewed the Iraqi POW on TV. :mad: Shah Shehpori wrote: Then just go to cnn.com and make yourself happy by reading one sided news. FYI, I hate CNN.com. I know the Al-Azeera is like CNN for the arabic world. My complain is about their rules of the game. I know that Iraqi TV interviewed the American POW, but Al-Azeera should have used better judgement in showing that tape to whole world. Don't :beer: and drive.
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Paul Watson wrote: You say you were a vet of Desert Strike. Were you in the thick of things? Yes, as much as you can be being on an aircraft carrier(USS Carl Vinson which is now in Korea, she is the best Carrier in the Pacific fleet, IMO). I was in Desert Strike which was in '96, most people get this confused with Desert Storm. We were only supposed to be in the Persian Gulf for 3 months, but we were extended another month. I was an AK, Aviational Storekeeper. My main job during West Pac(our 6 month cruise) was working a daily report called the "Suspense Report" we had two software applications for keeping track of the aircraft parts, alone with other supply materials, and ordering them. They both, in theory, were in sink(sink?) with eachother, but some transactions to did transfer over, then it would show up on my report. On hand balance is a major factor in keeping the planes flying, if things got to out of wack, the birds could be down for days, instead of operational. That West Pac we set a record for fewest "Off Ships" meaning, we didn't have to look elsewhere for parts we couldn't find onboard. Things we intense those 4 months, we were all doing our duties. I kind of miss it.:-D Later,
JoeSox
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USN Veteran 94-98[^]JoeSox wrote: sink(sink?) sync BTW, take care man. Jeremy Falcon
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I must say I am amazed at how much you guys are following this war. Are you junkies or do you really care so much? FYI I am just curious. Not trying to come across as uncaring or a heartless bastard.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
I was always more patriotic than political. Suffice it to say, I'd rather be bitch slapping someone than to bitch about someone. That's my nature, and I cannot or will not change that. However, when my brother became involved with this war, I've taken more of an interest in the political side of things because staying in touch with the events is all I can do. :| Jeremy Falcon
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JoeSox wrote: sink(sink?) sync BTW, take care man. Jeremy Falcon