And here I was thinking that at least Apple wasn't evil
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No - the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (apart from the screen) and is heavier / lower battery life. I tried the haptic feedback and, well, it's a touch sensor that doesn't move but gives you a tickle when you press it. It's...OK, but a little weird. You'd stop noticing it after about a minute.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (
?! Are we talking 13" v 13" or the 11" air? On the 13" the pro is only .1 inch thicker, and 0.23 pounds heavier, has faster processor (2.7 vs 1.6 GHz) faster graphics processor, more Ram (as standard and upgradable maximum) a retina display vs 1440x900, an HDMI port as well as an extra Thunderbolt port .. and the funky touchpad! The battery is only rated at 2 hours more (12 vs 10 hours wireless browsing, and identical iTunes movie playback) and costs $400 more (AU) :( I guess for you jetsetters, the extra portability is important. But I want a buzzy touchpad!!!! (I'm disappointed in your review of the touchpad - my local apple store is a little too far away to just pop in and try one - but perhaps I will make the trip!) ... and Hardly Normals have 2 years nothing-to-pay interest-free on apples at the moment, but I don't think they have the new models yet.
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I would sympathize, but...
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm setting up a Macbook
You're really asking for it... :rolleyes:
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Have you used a MacBook? I've been using one as my primary development machine and it's the best Windows machine I've ever had. Bar none.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Have you used a MacBook? I've been using one as my primary development machine and it's the best Windows machine I've ever had. Bar none.
cheers Chris Maunder
I have. Let's just say that our experiences couldn't be further apart... It was the worst programming experience I ever had after Crystal Reports and DevForce :laugh: Well, to tell you the truth I worked on someone else's machine and none of us had really taken the time to learn the tools :) But no matter how awesome you think Apple is they still aren't exactly famous for being able to run all software out there. I think this rage comic explains it better[^] :laugh:
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Regards, Sander
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Chris Maunder wrote:
the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (
?! Are we talking 13" v 13" or the 11" air? On the 13" the pro is only .1 inch thicker, and 0.23 pounds heavier, has faster processor (2.7 vs 1.6 GHz) faster graphics processor, more Ram (as standard and upgradable maximum) a retina display vs 1440x900, an HDMI port as well as an extra Thunderbolt port .. and the funky touchpad! The battery is only rated at 2 hours more (12 vs 10 hours wireless browsing, and identical iTunes movie playback) and costs $400 more (AU) :( I guess for you jetsetters, the extra portability is important. But I want a buzzy touchpad!!!! (I'm disappointed in your review of the touchpad - my local apple store is a little too far away to just pop in and try one - but perhaps I will make the trip!) ... and Hardly Normals have 2 years nothing-to-pay interest-free on apples at the moment, but I don't think they have the new models yet.
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13" vs 13". CPU is faster in the Pro, but only dual core in the 13". I tried a 13" Pro for a week and for what I do (Visual Studio, SQL Server, and Outlook with a 30GB PST), the extra CPU power made barely any difference (except the fan was even noisier, if possible, than the Air). I returned it. The trackpad is a fine trackpad - Apple make the best (and I've tried many, many trackpads). It just didn't blow me away like Apple wanted. It's..."nice". My conclusion with the Pro was: 1. It was too heavy 2. It was crazy expensive 3. The effective vertical resolution was 800px vs the Air's 900px (though you obviously could get more going non-native) 4. It was barely faster than the MacBook Air. 5. It didn't have anywhere near the battery life of the MacBook Air The latest update has helped with battery life, and I do miss 16GB vs 8GB, but I still went for the Air. 2X SSD speed compared to the old will make a HUGE improvement. I have a 21" iMac, quad core, and my SSD equipped Air runs rings around it due to the HDD instead of SSD in the iMac.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I have. Let's just say that our experiences couldn't be further apart... It was the worst programming experience I ever had after Crystal Reports and DevForce :laugh: Well, to tell you the truth I worked on someone else's machine and none of us had really taken the time to learn the tools :) But no matter how awesome you think Apple is they still aren't exactly famous for being able to run all software out there. I think this rage comic explains it better[^] :laugh:
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Regards, Sander
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You were running MacOS? I run Windows on Bootcamp. Much nicer.
cheers Chris Maunder
Wait, I read your original message wrong. I read MacOS doesn't support Bootcamp (what I wanted to read :laugh: ), but yeah I used MacOS. Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though? You can buy the same Windows PC for half that money :confused:
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Wait, I read your original message wrong. I read MacOS doesn't support Bootcamp (what I wanted to read :laugh: ), but yeah I used MacOS. Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though? You can buy the same Windows PC for half that money :confused:
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Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though
Because the MAcBook Air is the best Windows laptop I've ever bought. (and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity)
cheers Chris Maunder
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though
Because the MAcBook Air is the best Windows laptop I've ever bought. (and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity)
cheers Chris Maunder
Well as long as it keeps CP up and running I don't really care what you use :laugh: :thumbsup: After my previous Mac experiences I don't think I'll ever become a fan :)
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13" vs 13". CPU is faster in the Pro, but only dual core in the 13". I tried a 13" Pro for a week and for what I do (Visual Studio, SQL Server, and Outlook with a 30GB PST), the extra CPU power made barely any difference (except the fan was even noisier, if possible, than the Air). I returned it. The trackpad is a fine trackpad - Apple make the best (and I've tried many, many trackpads). It just didn't blow me away like Apple wanted. It's..."nice". My conclusion with the Pro was: 1. It was too heavy 2. It was crazy expensive 3. The effective vertical resolution was 800px vs the Air's 900px (though you obviously could get more going non-native) 4. It was barely faster than the MacBook Air. 5. It didn't have anywhere near the battery life of the MacBook Air The latest update has helped with battery life, and I do miss 16GB vs 8GB, but I still went for the Air. 2X SSD speed compared to the old will make a HUGE improvement. I have a 21" iMac, quad core, and my SSD equipped Air runs rings around it due to the HDD instead of SSD in the iMac.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
I have a 21" iMac, quad core, and my SSD equipped Air runs rings around it due to the HDD instead of SSD in the iMac.
Do what I did. Grab a Seagate Portable Thunderbolt Adapter (was AUD$114 when I bought it - exchange rate hike has made it more expensive from here!)[^] Grab an SSD - whichever takes your fancy Grab some bluetack Grab a thunderbolt cable Use a blob of bluetack under the drive to keep it level on the adapter (which is designed for Seagate's enclosed drive) and stick it behind your Mac Now either migrate your HD to SSD or (what I did) install Yosemite on the SSD and re-install just the stuff you want - while leaving the internal drive for less frequently accessed stuff. makes it feel like a new machine for a couple of hundred bucks! I can't believe I didn't do it earlier - Thunderbolt external SSD can be actually (slightly!) faster than an internal one! (I read it on the interwebs, so it must be true!)
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though
Because the MAcBook Air is the best Windows laptop I've ever bought. (and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity)
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity
Really? Well I don't know about the laptops so I'll take your word for it. But in the desktop area last I checked that 'pc is half the price of an apple' was pretty accurate (k might not be exactly half the price but...) Disclamer: last I checked was 8 years ago so much may have changed :) Either way I think I'll stick with putting my own pc's together. It has served me well, last pc lasted 9 years (without having to re-install or any issues at all) and the only thing that broke at the end was the ssd (but I figured I'd replace the whole thing at once ;P )
Tom
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I'm setting up a Macbook with Bootcamp and I hit a roadblock:
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Bootcamp only supports Windows 8 or later
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
cheers Chris Maunder
:doh:
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I'm setting up a Macbook with Bootcamp and I hit a roadblock:
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Bootcamp only supports Windows 8 or later
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
cheers Chris Maunder
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Oh... but he's back! He just covered his face, he's the man behind the mask!
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Silly boy! Apple was "The Great Satan" long before the US.
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Nah, that's adobe. Apple can't even be best at being worst.
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I'm setting up a Macbook with Bootcamp and I hit a roadblock:
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Bootcamp only supports Windows 8 or later
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
cheers Chris Maunder
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You crack me up, Chris! Apple invented evil; Microsoft just stole it and perfected it.
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I'm setting up a Macbook with Bootcamp and I hit a roadblock:
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Bootcamp only supports Windows 8 or later
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm setting up a Macbook
It just works. :-D
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I'm setting up a Macbook with Bootcamp and I hit a roadblock:
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Bootcamp only supports Windows 8 or later
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
cheers Chris Maunder
Isn't that like riding a bicycle in a bus on a bumpy road to Kandahar?
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Where is mister nice guy? No more mister nice guy? I can't find him anywhere!
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Honestly, I don't understand the North American conviction that 'Apple' is a synonym for easy, or quality, or 'the best'. It takes people who want a no-brainer option and gives it to them. With a hefty price hike and a locked in ecosystem. Obviously the gear is nice, but utterly inflexible and enormously expensive. If only closed-source drivers kept up with Linux a little more or opened the source code, we would have a universally good and cheap alternative without lock-in. :)
