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And here I was thinking that at least Apple wasn't evil

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  • S Simon ORiordan from UK

    Honestly, I don't understand the North American conviction that 'Apple' is a synonym for easy, or quality, or 'the best'. It takes people who want a no-brainer option and gives it to them. With a hefty price hike and a locked in ecosystem. Obviously the gear is nice, but utterly inflexible and enormously expensive. If only closed-source drivers kept up with Linux a little more or opened the source code, we would have a universally good and cheap alternative without lock-in. :)

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    Kirk 10389821
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    To quote a friend: It's a prison. It's a really, really, really NICE Prison. Love the padded walls. But it is still a prison...

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    • S Simon ORiordan from UK

      Honestly, I don't understand the North American conviction that 'Apple' is a synonym for easy, or quality, or 'the best'. It takes people who want a no-brainer option and gives it to them. With a hefty price hike and a locked in ecosystem. Obviously the gear is nice, but utterly inflexible and enormously expensive. If only closed-source drivers kept up with Linux a little more or opened the source code, we would have a universally good and cheap alternative without lock-in. :)

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      I don't understand why you have this conviction that 'Apple' is inflexible or enormously expensive. If you want a quad core i7 laptop with a 600+MB/s SSD and high res (UHD or ~3K) screen with 7+ hours of battery life, Apple's products are priced at the low end. If you're wanting the cheapest laptop you can buy, well, then you should look elsewhere. The same goes for their other products. Yes, you can buy cheaper, but are you going to compare a Yugo to a Bentley or even a Ford Focus (the model you'd actually drive, not the base base base model)? They're different products intended for different markets. As for inflexible, how so, other than their phones, and even those can be jailbroken and you can do what you want.

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        I have. Let's just say that our experiences couldn't be further apart... It was the worst programming experience I ever had after Crystal Reports and DevForce :laugh: Well, to tell you the truth I worked on someone else's machine and none of us had really taken the time to learn the tools :) But no matter how awesome you think Apple is they still aren't exactly famous for being able to run all software out there. I think this rage comic explains it better[^] :laugh:

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        You are largely incorrect, it runs more than windows, since windows last I checked won't run OSX, but OSX will run Windows, and Apple hardware will run MS Windows, so exactly what was your issue? It sounds like you were trying to dev for windows on OSX, or doing a side project on OSX itself, otherwise your tools would have been the same.

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          Chris Maunder wrote:

          I have a 21" iMac, quad core, and my SSD equipped Air runs rings around it due to the HDD instead of SSD in the iMac.

          Do what I did. Grab a Seagate Portable Thunderbolt Adapter (was AUD$114 when I bought it - exchange rate hike has made it more expensive from here!)[^] Grab an SSD - whichever takes your fancy Grab some bluetack Grab a thunderbolt cable Use a blob of bluetack under the drive to keep it level on the adapter (which is designed for Seagate's enclosed drive) and stick it behind your Mac Now either migrate your HD to SSD or (what I did) install Yosemite on the SSD and re-install just the stuff you want - while leaving the internal drive for less frequently accessed stuff. makes it feel like a new machine for a couple of hundred bucks! I can't believe I didn't do it earlier - Thunderbolt external SSD can be actually (slightly!) faster than an internal one! (I read it on the interwebs, so it must be true!)

          PooperPig - Coming Soon

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          You can also replace the drive - see ifixit[^]

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            You are largely incorrect, it runs more than windows, since windows last I checked won't run OSX, but OSX will run Windows, and Apple hardware will run MS Windows, so exactly what was your issue? It sounds like you were trying to dev for windows on OSX, or doing a side project on OSX itself, otherwise your tools would have been the same.

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            Sander Rossel
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            I was trying to make an application using PhoneGap on OSX using XCode (horrible editor!). It was quite different than on Windows and not for the better. Back in the days, when I was still playing games, Apple wasn't even a choice, it just didn't run games. And I'm not going to get an Apple to run everything on Windows inside Apple :) I'm sure Apple has good points too, I guess I just haven't found them yet (or I'm not open to find them) ;)

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            • U User 11502047

              You are largely incorrect, it runs more than windows, since windows last I checked won't run OSX, but OSX will run Windows, and Apple hardware will run MS Windows, so exactly what was your issue? It sounds like you were trying to dev for windows on OSX, or doing a side project on OSX itself, otherwise your tools would have been the same.

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              Windows can run OSX, not that it's allowed (nor the best idea), but it can be done.

              CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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                You can also replace the drive - see ifixit[^]

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                You can replace the drive, yes - if you don't mind risking damaging the screen, which has to come right off, then de-soldering components (depending on the exact model) and fixing he fan controller so it works with an SSD, then putting it all back together and hoping to hell it all works! I'd rather just plug a cable in and get better performance!

                PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  Actually, I bought one of these[^]

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  Nice - from a neatness POV - but slow as all hell compared to a Thunderbolt SSD (95MB/s vs around 450 MB/s) Does it work OK in an iMac? The page is v specific about working on the laptops, but no mention of iMacs that I could see.

                  PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                  • L Lost User

                    Nice - from a neatness POV - but slow as all hell compared to a Thunderbolt SSD (95MB/s vs around 450 MB/s) Does it work OK in an iMac? The page is v specific about working on the laptops, but no mention of iMacs that I could see.

                    PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                    I just popped it out of my MAcbook and into my iMac and yep, works fine. (and yeah - a little slower :) However, I need it for space, not speed)

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                      I just popped it out of my MAcbook and into my iMac and yep, works fine. (and yeah - a little slower :) However, I need it for space, not speed)

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      D'you know if you can boot off it? I'm quite tempted for my 21" if its bootable actually, forge that - it's too slow isn't it - it wold be slower than the HD in there already!

                      PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                      • U User 11502047

                        I don't understand why you have this conviction that 'Apple' is inflexible or enormously expensive. If you want a quad core i7 laptop with a 600+MB/s SSD and high res (UHD or ~3K) screen with 7+ hours of battery life, Apple's products are priced at the low end. If you're wanting the cheapest laptop you can buy, well, then you should look elsewhere. The same goes for their other products. Yes, you can buy cheaper, but are you going to compare a Yugo to a Bentley or even a Ford Focus (the model you'd actually drive, not the base base base model)? They're different products intended for different markets. As for inflexible, how so, other than their phones, and even those can be jailbroken and you can do what you want.

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                        Simon ORiordan from UK
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                        Ah. Of course. Stockholm Syndrome. :^)

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