What is so bad/wrong/terrible about Windows 8.1?
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I note that you forgot Vista. I bet you'll forget Win 8 even quicker.
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After asking a question on how to upgrade to 8.1 a lot of respectable :bob:ians have told me that it was a bad idea doing that (going from 7 to 8.1) and of course, I've wondered what is so terrible about it as it Works for me... So here's another question: why 7 is much better tan 8.1 or if you prefer... why 8.1 is as terrible compared to 7? Please don't start flame wars or similar... everyone has its opinion and it must be respected. I'll start: windows 8 pro's: - Internet explorer 11 knows that it has to change it's spell check when you change the input language. - You can pause large file operations. - It starts really fast. - When you start several copy operations all of them are stacked onto one single dialog. - Once you know that windows+c shortcut getting into the control panel is a breeze. - In a multi display environment you have the task bar in all the displays and then you can reach all your open programs from any display and show the start menu in the display you are looking at... windows 7 pro's: - start menu is much better. ...
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None of what you say about 8 matters to me.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Change is constant.
True. It would be nice if we'd only commit those changes that are actually improvements, cause quite often they are just that - changes.
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Right, change for change's sake is user-hostile. Let me pick which changes to activate!
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I note that you forgot Vista. I bet you'll forget Win 8 even quicker.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Oh right, Vista. That would be like you bought a sirloin, but they'd mislabeled it and it was really a flank steak. Surprise! Fat and gristle!
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People try to hate new things and changes in the beginning... Then they accept them! I have been using Windows 8.1 since the day it was released, always worked as a charm for me. If I have to hate it, I should be able to at least come up with a single critical point of view, which I can't find, other than it being a product that has to be bought; which people think is bad.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
People try to hate new things and changes in the beginning... Then they accept them!
Yup. Windows Vista, OS/2, WebTV, the G4 Cube, Google Buzz, the Newton, Net PC, PCjr, and, of course, Clippy... History is riddled with examples.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Y'know what's really funny? I still have a Vista PC in use, mainly as a file server, but I still sometimes sit at it. I think I'm one of the nine people in the world who didn't have a problem with Vista -- the only thing I objected to was the "wow factor", but the first time I booted the PC, it asked me if I wanted the "wow factor" cr@p, I said "NO!", and it never bothered me about it again. It was lovely and fast, with all that memory that was added to handle the "wow" being freed up.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I note that you forgot Vista. I bet you'll forget Win 8 even quicker.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Vista was not forgotten, as it was in effect an unpolished version of Windows 7, so with that analogy I would consider it the cooking process. Literally under the hood they are identical, but because it's still cooking it doesn't have the same flavours.
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I haven't worked with win 8, but everytime I'm working on any of our servers I'm thinking up new cruel punishments for whoever it was that decided a tablet operating system was fitting for a server. I'm not going into details as to why, as Griff has described it all quite well in another post.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
It actually works well with future MS tech, I cite hololens. Think about it, tapping a virtual button makes sense, you don't even have to be at the machine except for hardware maintenace, just look at it, the "menu" buttons come up, you "tap" the one you want in the virtual space and the world is at your finger tips.
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Vista was not forgotten, as it was in effect an unpolished version of Windows 7, so with that analogy I would consider it the cooking process. Literally under the hood they are identical, but because it's still cooking it doesn't have the same flavours.
That's a very good analogy. How would you react if you went to a restaurant, and they gave you uncooked and part-cooked ingredients, then charged you the full price? You'd never go back there, right? If it weren't for the fact that Windows is pre-installed on 99.9999% of home PCs, they would lose a huge chunk of the home PC market. If more people had to choose and install their operating systems, more people would make different choices. But Windows has that huge audience captive, and no-one treats a captive audience with respect.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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That's a very good analogy. How would you react if you went to a restaurant, and they gave you uncooked and part-cooked ingredients, then charged you the full price? You'd never go back there, right? If it weren't for the fact that Windows is pre-installed on 99.9999% of home PCs, they would lose a huge chunk of the home PC market. If more people had to choose and install their operating systems, more people would make different choices. But Windows has that huge audience captive, and no-one treats a captive audience with respect.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Or you could think of it as s chef trying to come up with a new item menu, it takes a few rounds of trial and error before you get the recipe right. That's what Vista was, the trial and error. A little to much chili. The chef experiments a bit more, and he came up with Win 7, with just the right amount of kick to it. Every chef requires guinea pigs to try out his new creations.
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Or you could think of it as s chef trying to come up with a new item menu, it takes a few rounds of trial and error before you get the recipe right. That's what Vista was, the trial and error. A little to much chili. The chef experiments a bit more, and he came up with Win 7, with just the right amount of kick to it. Every chef requires guinea pigs to try out his new creations.
But no professional chef serves a dish that he knows to be bad. Why are you making excuses for them? Especially to me, one of the nine people who liked Vista. For me, they should simply have put no effort at all into the "wow!" thing, and spent more on fixing broken stuff, but I didn't have any major gripes with it (except the "wow!" thing, of course).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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But no professional chef serves a dish that he knows to be bad. Why are you making excuses for them? Especially to me, one of the nine people who liked Vista. For me, they should simply have put no effort at all into the "wow!" thing, and spent more on fixing broken stuff, but I didn't have any major gripes with it (except the "wow!" thing, of course).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I'm not making excuses for anyone. A professional chef will toy around with things til they are to his liking and then he will use guinea pigs to see if other people like it. It's the same deal, and it applies to anything software related, just because people on the inside like it does not mean people on the outside will. My original reply was because listed various flavours of Windows over the years to various food stuff and someone piped in that they "forgot" Vista, but I don't think they did. As I said, Vista and Win 7 are identical under the hood, I was using the analogy someone else stated about the various flavours of Windows over the years, going from Ramen noodles to a nicely cooked fillet mignon. Quite literally Win 7 IS Vista, just cooked differently to give it wider appeal.
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I note that you forgot Vista. I bet you'll forget Win 8 even quicker.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
But I though Windows 8 was the new name for Vista... (:
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After asking a question on how to upgrade to 8.1 a lot of respectable :bob:ians have told me that it was a bad idea doing that (going from 7 to 8.1) and of course, I've wondered what is so terrible about it as it Works for me... So here's another question: why 7 is much better tan 8.1 or if you prefer... why 8.1 is as terrible compared to 7? Please don't start flame wars or similar... everyone has its opinion and it must be respected. I'll start: windows 8 pro's: - Internet explorer 11 knows that it has to change it's spell check when you change the input language. - You can pause large file operations. - It starts really fast. - When you start several copy operations all of them are stacked onto one single dialog. - Once you know that windows+c shortcut getting into the control panel is a breeze. - In a multi display environment you have the task bar in all the displays and then you can reach all your open programs from any display and show the start menu in the display you are looking at... windows 7 pro's: - start menu is much better. ...
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Joan Murt wrote:
a lot of respectable [Alien] ians have told me that it was a bad idea doing that
When was the last time somebody here welcomed something new in the computer world ? I actually like Win8. I went from XP directly to 8 then 8.1. I enjoy the tiles screen, kind of organized quick launch bar. There are of course a couple of PITA changes (the restart, the ... switchoff, etc...) but nothing to go out and yell at how bad it is. Plus it is damn fast and stable. At least as much as XP.
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After asking a question on how to upgrade to 8.1 a lot of respectable :bob:ians have told me that it was a bad idea doing that (going from 7 to 8.1) and of course, I've wondered what is so terrible about it as it Works for me... So here's another question: why 7 is much better tan 8.1 or if you prefer... why 8.1 is as terrible compared to 7? Please don't start flame wars or similar... everyone has its opinion and it must be respected. I'll start: windows 8 pro's: - Internet explorer 11 knows that it has to change it's spell check when you change the input language. - You can pause large file operations. - It starts really fast. - When you start several copy operations all of them are stacked onto one single dialog. - Once you know that windows+c shortcut getting into the control panel is a breeze. - In a multi display environment you have the task bar in all the displays and then you can reach all your open programs from any display and show the start menu in the display you are looking at... windows 7 pro's: - start menu is much better. ...
[www.tamautomation.com] | Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing. [YouTube channel]
I use Windows 8.1, Windows 7 and OSX (as well as iOS) on a daily basis. The problem with Windows 8.1 is that it didn't bring anything new to the table (nothing if use, anyway). Microsoft seemed to assume that the desktop was dead and we'd all much prefer full screen mobile apps instead - after all, there's very few of us desktop users around these days, right? What I particularly dislike is that on the desktop, you're continually interrupted by the charms bar (especially swiping on a mousepad on laptops) when all you want to do is move your pointer, just because your pointer or finger happens to have hit the wrong place at the wrong time. Addressing some of the improvements you mentioned, all in all they're pretty trivial and in the case of IE no use at all for those of us who use Chrome or stick to one language. If you compare this to the upgrade from Mavericks to Yosemite on OSX, there were compelling new features added that made it a pleasure to upgrade. Windows 8.1 feels to me like half a step backwards, eighteen steps sideways and we're now waiting for Microsoft to stop standing around scratching their heads thinking what menu they can uppercase next.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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People try to hate new things and changes in the beginning... Then they accept them! I have been using Windows 8.1 since the day it was released, always worked as a charm for me. If I have to hate it, I should be able to at least come up with a single critical point of view, which I can't find, other than it being a product that has to be bought; which people think is bad.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
I'm always excited about new technology coming out, but it has to bring something new and worthwhile to the table - Windows 8 failed on this for me and in fact encouraged me to go out and buy a MacBook (my first foray into the world of Macs). Obviously it wasn't a resistance to learning something new or price that affects my opinion of Windows 8 :laugh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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I don't use Windows 8.0 or 8.1, and have never made the switch to it. I have no doubt there are improvements from Windows 7, but these were never really significant enough for me to "upgrade". As a primarily desktop user, what really killed it for me is the UX. Although it may seem like a non-factor at first, it is actually a huge factor due to its significant changes from Win 7. What Win 8 tried to do was create an OS that fits all. This simply does not work, my desktop is not a tablet, my tablet is not a desktop. The start screen while optimized for a touch system, is not intuitive for a non-touch screen. I certainly have no desire to touch my desktop monitor. When 99% of the time I spend would be in desktop mode, it makes no sense to exit desktop mode, open a start screen that blocks my whole view, just to open another app on the desktop mode. Then you have things like duplicated functional apps due to the newer metro store apps. Should I use IE in metro mode or use the desktop IE? The Metro UI is just sour icing on top that makes it worst. They brought the whole UI to Windows Server, and now it's easier to shut down the machine than to log off. The start screen is even more irrelevant on a server. Can I get used to these changes? Yes I certainly can, but I am much more satisfied and happy with staying at Windows 7. Although... Win 10 might change my mind.
Silvabolt wrote:
This simply does not work, my desktop is not a tablet, my tablet is not a desktop.
^This. One of the Windows 8 devices I have to use with my current contract is a Dell XPS - Windows 8.1, touchscreen (foldable so it can be used like a tablet). Terrible as a laptop, terrible as a tablet, one of the worst machines I've ever used - Dell have outdone themselves with this baby :laugh: And at over £1,000, was this supposed to compete with iPads, MacBooks, or what?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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After asking a question on how to upgrade to 8.1 a lot of respectable :bob:ians have told me that it was a bad idea doing that (going from 7 to 8.1) and of course, I've wondered what is so terrible about it as it Works for me... So here's another question: why 7 is much better tan 8.1 or if you prefer... why 8.1 is as terrible compared to 7? Please don't start flame wars or similar... everyone has its opinion and it must be respected. I'll start: windows 8 pro's: - Internet explorer 11 knows that it has to change it's spell check when you change the input language. - You can pause large file operations. - It starts really fast. - When you start several copy operations all of them are stacked onto one single dialog. - Once you know that windows+c shortcut getting into the control panel is a breeze. - In a multi display environment you have the task bar in all the displays and then you can reach all your open programs from any display and show the start menu in the display you are looking at... windows 7 pro's: - start menu is much better. ...
[www.tamautomation.com] | Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing. [YouTube channel]
Windows 8.1 cons: 1. The mouse left-click button is disabled if you have a tablet device attached to your PC. (Point with mouse, click with tablet.) 2. Pro version is required (not home version) to enable disk management functions, such as moving public folders to other hard drives. (In NZ, Pro version is 3 times more costly.) Even after successfully relocating folders, the OS fights to return them to previous locations. 3. Swipe in from right edge is extremely difficult when no touch screen device is attached. 4. Request to allow installation software to alter system only recognises tab key to select [Yes] _ mouse-click AND tablet-POINT are disabled.
The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.
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I'm always excited about new technology coming out, but it has to bring something new and worthwhile to the table - Windows 8 failed on this for me and in fact encouraged me to go out and buy a MacBook (my first foray into the world of Macs). Obviously it wasn't a resistance to learning something new or price that affects my opinion of Windows 8 :laugh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Yes, I would agree on this. There was nothing new (as per Windows features list), but the API had a lot more for me, specially the HTML/CSS/JavaScript based programming for Windows Runtime. For me, anything that would encourage me toward it is the API it has, I am willing to purchase a new laptop to install Ubuntu for linux-based programming; because I would like to do some C or C++ based programming in Linux based environment or I would also try some Unix based systems. But Mac? Nah never! :)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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Yes, I would agree on this. There was nothing new (as per Windows features list), but the API had a lot more for me, specially the HTML/CSS/JavaScript based programming for Windows Runtime. For me, anything that would encourage me toward it is the API it has, I am willing to purchase a new laptop to install Ubuntu for linux-based programming; because I would like to do some C or C++ based programming in Linux based environment or I would also try some Unix based systems. But Mac? Nah never! :)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
But Mac? Nah never!
That's what I said for years, now wonder why I never did it earlier :laugh: Microsoft has a long, long history of coming up with something, getting users/developers on board, then dropping it (e.g. Silverlight). I'd be surprised if WinRT goes much further than Windows 10.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
