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  • M Mycroft Holmes

    I think you deduction is very wrong, not only are most developers not entrepreneurs but they are pathetic at running a business. I hold myself up as an example, I have run 2 failed software companies in my time before I admitted I was hopeless as a businessman. Now I won't even take a management role! I admire the few who can transition from a developer to running a business, I would have liked to work for a few of them. Some of us are just not leaders and we tend to be much happier when we accept and work within our limitations. A bloody good developer, not a businessman!

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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    Nicolas Dorier
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    Well, an entrepreneur developer don't have to necessarily be the business person. This is why having good partners goes a long way to the success. Entrepreneur means you like to create a service that generate revenue, instead of selling your time. Thinking that the developer needs to be a business person for entrepreneurship is fallacy and dangerous if he does not like it.

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    • N newton saber

      As I became a software developer I became more of an entrepreneur. I love the idea of engineering a company into existence just as I do software. I really like great books about this too. I am currently reading Guy Kawasaki's fantastic book, The Art of the Start 2.0[^]. I wonder if you find this to be true in your life also. I am very interested in taking an idea as simple as my new web site: X-- link removed by request --X and turning it into something a lot of people are interested in. Do you ever dream of building something bigger than software? What is Quotimal? It is a daily great or funny quote along with an cute animal picture. I'm serious. Check it out and re-post it, tweet it. Every day a new one. What Benefit Does Quotimal.com Offer? It is meant only to make you smile. But a little more too. Watch this fantastic Ted Talk by Jane McGonigal author of Reality Is Broken (https://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_the_game_that_can_give_you_10_extra_years_of_life?language=en[^]) and notice that she mentions the life benefits of such a small thing.

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      Nicolas Dorier
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      I will first respond to the fallacy of people thinking that a developer wanting to be entrepreneur needs to be a business man. This is false. This skill can be into one of your partners. A developer does not have to be a business man if he does not like it. Entrepreneur only means that you prefer creating a service that generate revenue instead of selling your time. Paycheck versus recurrent income and equities. It is a fallacy to mix up "being a business man" with "being an entrepreneur", these are two different things, you can be one without the other. It is not the nature developers to be entrepreneur, but the nature of their skills. Programming is one of the only job where you can create a service by investing nothing but your brain.

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        newton.saber wrote:

        Many devs, by nature, are also entrepreneurs?

        I feel many devs, by nature, are just like people, bunglers :D (fun fact, first time I ever used that word in English, I use it daily in Dutch). I'm not an entrepeneur yet. Just bought a house, got a new job, happy the way I am. For now.

        newton.saber wrote:

        I'm serious. Check it out and re-post it, tweet it. Every day a new one.

        Your website is missing some share buttons. And a lot more too. Like a nice layout that attracts people and makes them want to come back. And previous, next and random buttons. Perhaps a comment section. That sort of stuff. I want goodies like stickers, mugs and t-shirts too. Other than that I like the picture, I like the quote, I like the idea :thumbsup:

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Mark_Wallace
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        Sander Rossel wrote:

        Your website is missing some share buttons. And a lot more too.

        Lord Archer wouldn't have made those mistakes.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        • N Nicolas Dorier

          I will first respond to the fallacy of people thinking that a developer wanting to be entrepreneur needs to be a business man. This is false. This skill can be into one of your partners. A developer does not have to be a business man if he does not like it. Entrepreneur only means that you prefer creating a service that generate revenue instead of selling your time. Paycheck versus recurrent income and equities. It is a fallacy to mix up "being a business man" with "being an entrepreneur", these are two different things, you can be one without the other. It is not the nature developers to be entrepreneur, but the nature of their skills. Programming is one of the only job where you can create a service by investing nothing but your brain.

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          Mark_Wallace
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          Steve Jobs was not a developer, and Steve Wozniak is not an entrepreneur. People who do what they are best at doing are usually successful at it.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • M Mark_Wallace

            Steve Jobs was not a developer, and Steve Wozniak is not an entrepreneur. People who do what they are best at doing are usually successful at it.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            Nicolas Dorier
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            you are wrong on the terminology. Steve Jobs is a business man and sales person. Wozniak is a developer. But both are entrepreneurs.

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            • M Mark_Wallace

              Sander Rossel wrote:

              Your website is missing some share buttons. And a lot more too.

              Lord Archer wouldn't have made those mistakes.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              Sander Rossel
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              I know exactly none of them[^] :sigh:

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              • N Nicolas Dorier

                I will first respond to the fallacy of people thinking that a developer wanting to be entrepreneur needs to be a business man. This is false. This skill can be into one of your partners. A developer does not have to be a business man if he does not like it. Entrepreneur only means that you prefer creating a service that generate revenue instead of selling your time. Paycheck versus recurrent income and equities. It is a fallacy to mix up "being a business man" with "being an entrepreneur", these are two different things, you can be one without the other. It is not the nature developers to be entrepreneur, but the nature of their skills. Programming is one of the only job where you can create a service by investing nothing but your brain.

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                newton saber
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                Thanks for giving the feedback. I really like the things you say and agree with it. I think of entrepreneurship (if that is a word) as the new Maker Movement, where you make things you want, then others are interested in them and you provide those things and people pay a fair price for those things. But, alas, that is somewhat of a pipe dream, I know. :)

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                • N Nicolas Dorier

                  you are wrong on the terminology. Steve Jobs is a business man and sales person. Wozniak is a developer. But both are entrepreneurs.

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                  newton saber
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                  Nicolas Dorier wrote:

                  But both are entrepreneurs.

                  That's the way I see it too, but I see I've confused people with that term. Steve Jobs was a risk-taker / maker but more focused on making business. Woz was risk-taker / maker but more focused on making things. They are very similar yet I see the strong differences too. Great feedback. Thanks for continuing the conversation.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    I know exactly none of them[^] :sigh:

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    In typical Monday-morning fashion (after watching another useless Lord-Archer type on TV, saying that he would not stand as British PM for a third term), I typed "Lord Archer" instead of "Lord Sugar".

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      In typical Monday-morning fashion (after watching another useless Lord-Archer type on TV, saying that he would not stand as British PM for a third term), I typed "Lord Archer" instead of "Lord Sugar".

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      I don't know Lord Sugar either. I'm sorry, but your jokes are wasted on me today :laugh:

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        I don't know Lord Sugar either. I'm sorry, but your jokes are wasted on me today :laugh:

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Erm, Alan Michael Sugar, founder of TRADing companies that took his initials. One of the signs of my misspent youth[^].

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        • M Mark_Wallace

                          Erm, Alan Michael Sugar, founder of TRADing companies that took his initials. One of the signs of my misspent youth[^].

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          Didn't ring a bell... Perhaps we should both give up :laugh:

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            Didn't ring a bell... Perhaps we should both give up :laugh:

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            You're fired!

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            • N newton saber

                              As I became a software developer I became more of an entrepreneur. I love the idea of engineering a company into existence just as I do software. I really like great books about this too. I am currently reading Guy Kawasaki's fantastic book, The Art of the Start 2.0[^]. I wonder if you find this to be true in your life also. I am very interested in taking an idea as simple as my new web site: X-- link removed by request --X and turning it into something a lot of people are interested in. Do you ever dream of building something bigger than software? What is Quotimal? It is a daily great or funny quote along with an cute animal picture. I'm serious. Check it out and re-post it, tweet it. Every day a new one. What Benefit Does Quotimal.com Offer? It is meant only to make you smile. But a little more too. Watch this fantastic Ted Talk by Jane McGonigal author of Reality Is Broken (https://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_the_game_that_can_give_you_10_extra_years_of_life?language=en[^]) and notice that she mentions the life benefits of such a small thing.

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                              AJC Software
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                              I don't think I was to start with but as I have matured and starting writing software for myself that I thought others could use I think my mindset has become much more entrepreneurial. I recommend it because it teaches you all about every part of a business so you can appreciate sales and marketing etc. You also learn to write very robust code and easy to use software because you don't want thousands of emails from users asking for help. I formed AJC Software and have been building up my products ever since. I didn't realise how long I had been at it until I got an email from a happy user saying he had been using AJC Sync for 12 years! I find that once you start thinking that way you come up with more and more ideas. After the success of AJC Sync I developed AJC Active Backup which is also gaining in popularity. It is very good for developers because it allows you to go back to any version of every save of any file you are editing so you can undo any mistakes, correct corruption or undo effects of some rogue update tool! It now has integration with Visual Studio too so its just a right click to do a diff of that code I had 5 minutes ago and get it back. It works well even if you have a version control system because it is updated to the second whereas you probably only check into version control when the job is done. Its also good protection when you check out from version control and accidentally overwrite local code! You can read about it here: http://www.ajcsoft.com/active-backup.htm[^]

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                                I don't think I was to start with but as I have matured and starting writing software for myself that I thought others could use I think my mindset has become much more entrepreneurial. I recommend it because it teaches you all about every part of a business so you can appreciate sales and marketing etc. You also learn to write very robust code and easy to use software because you don't want thousands of emails from users asking for help. I formed AJC Software and have been building up my products ever since. I didn't realise how long I had been at it until I got an email from a happy user saying he had been using AJC Sync for 12 years! I find that once you start thinking that way you come up with more and more ideas. After the success of AJC Sync I developed AJC Active Backup which is also gaining in popularity. It is very good for developers because it allows you to go back to any version of every save of any file you are editing so you can undo any mistakes, correct corruption or undo effects of some rogue update tool! It now has integration with Visual Studio too so its just a right click to do a diff of that code I had 5 minutes ago and get it back. It works well even if you have a version control system because it is updated to the second whereas you probably only check into version control when the job is done. Its also good protection when you check out from version control and accidentally overwrite local code! You can read about it here: http://www.ajcsoft.com/active-backup.htm[^]

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                                newton saber
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                                AJC Software wrote:

                                as I have matured and starting writing software for myself that I thought others could use

                                That whole first paragraph is fantastic. That's exactly how it has all worked out for me.

                                AJC Software wrote:

                                I find that once you start thinking that way you come up with more and more ideas.

                                That does seem to be the way it works. Ideas beget ideas. :D Great stuff thanks for posting.

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                                  I don't think I was to start with but as I have matured and starting writing software for myself that I thought others could use I think my mindset has become much more entrepreneurial. I recommend it because it teaches you all about every part of a business so you can appreciate sales and marketing etc. You also learn to write very robust code and easy to use software because you don't want thousands of emails from users asking for help. I formed AJC Software and have been building up my products ever since. I didn't realise how long I had been at it until I got an email from a happy user saying he had been using AJC Sync for 12 years! I find that once you start thinking that way you come up with more and more ideas. After the success of AJC Sync I developed AJC Active Backup which is also gaining in popularity. It is very good for developers because it allows you to go back to any version of every save of any file you are editing so you can undo any mistakes, correct corruption or undo effects of some rogue update tool! It now has integration with Visual Studio too so its just a right click to do a diff of that code I had 5 minutes ago and get it back. It works well even if you have a version control system because it is updated to the second whereas you probably only check into version control when the job is done. Its also good protection when you check out from version control and accidentally overwrite local code! You can read about it here: http://www.ajcsoft.com/active-backup.htm[^]

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                                  newton saber
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                                  Came back to reply again after taking a look at your site. Very nice design. Very simple and easy to tell what you are offering and the prices your offerings are set at. How many customers do you have? I'm just curious but if you can't share that info I understand. Good luck to you.

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