Another pilot suicide?!?!?
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I understood that locking the door was standard practice these days?
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So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide, but now Germanwings 9525 is starting to look like one too. Investigators have reported that the CVR shows that one pilot was locked out of the cockpit and trying to "break the door down" while the pilot in the cockpit did not respond. Ok, possible pass out, heart attack, stroke, etc... but that wouldn't explain why the door was locked. Door lockout has to be engaged on purpose and is unusual. Also, the memory card from the FDR is "missing". Also unusual on a non fly by night airline. But if I've learned anything from watching Air Crash Investigation, it's that weird stuff happens up there. But door lockout should NOT be one of them.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Ok, possible pass out, heart attack, stroke, etc... but that wouldn't explain why the door was locked
Or why it didn't continue on autopilot....
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So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide, but now Germanwings 9525 is starting to look like one too. Investigators have reported that the CVR shows that one pilot was locked out of the cockpit and trying to "break the door down" while the pilot in the cockpit did not respond. Ok, possible pass out, heart attack, stroke, etc... but that wouldn't explain why the door was locked. Door lockout has to be engaged on purpose and is unusual. Also, the memory card from the FDR is "missing". Also unusual on a non fly by night airline. But if I've learned anything from watching Air Crash Investigation, it's that weird stuff happens up there. But door lockout should NOT be one of them.
When I first read that I read; "Another polite suicide" and...well there is no and!
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Ok, possible pass out, heart attack, stroke, etc... but that wouldn't explain why the door was locked
Or why it didn't continue on autopilot....
That would have required the autopilot to be on surely? and if the pilot was incapacitated quickly he may not have had time to turn it on (if he had time surely he could have also opened the door?) yesterday they were saying a cracked windscreen, to day this, tomorrow it may be something completely different, I will wait until the office cause is released
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That would have required the autopilot to be on surely? and if the pilot was incapacitated quickly he may not have had time to turn it on (if he had time surely he could have also opened the door?) yesterday they were saying a cracked windscreen, to day this, tomorrow it may be something completely different, I will wait until the office cause is released
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
That would have required the autopilot to be on surely
AFAIK they have the autopilot on the whole time, its just landings and takeoffs where its disabled. Apparently the code entry to the cabin can be overridden from the cabin, it had been and similar problem happened to another 320 due to iced up stall sensors; a long steady descent, that was cleared by rebooting the computer. Its all very odd, but at least we have the CVR and black box, unlike MH370...
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
That would have required the autopilot to be on surely
AFAIK they have the autopilot on the whole time, its just landings and takeoffs where its disabled. Apparently the code entry to the cabin can be overridden from the cabin, it had been and similar problem happened to another 320 due to iced up stall sensors; a long steady descent, that was cleared by rebooting the computer. Its all very odd, but at least we have the CVR and black box, unlike MH370...
The auto pilot is USUALLY on but it is only a button on the dash so their is nothing to atop the pilot flying the plane manually, in fact some pilots like to do that (according to a family friend who used to be a commercial pilot)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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The auto pilot is USUALLY on but it is only a button on the dash so their is nothing to atop the pilot flying the plane manually, in fact some pilots like to do that (according to a family friend who used to be a commercial pilot)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Of course, particularly if you want to crash it into a mountain....
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Of course, particularly if you want to crash it into a mountain....
Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature, I know it comes up as an option every time a plane crashes but has it ever been proved? or is it just an urban myth?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide, but now Germanwings 9525 is starting to look like one too. Investigators have reported that the CVR shows that one pilot was locked out of the cockpit and trying to "break the door down" while the pilot in the cockpit did not respond. Ok, possible pass out, heart attack, stroke, etc... but that wouldn't explain why the door was locked. Door lockout has to be engaged on purpose and is unusual. Also, the memory card from the FDR is "missing". Also unusual on a non fly by night airline. But if I've learned anything from watching Air Crash Investigation, it's that weird stuff happens up there. But door lockout should NOT be one of them.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide,
Care to share your citations and supporting proof, for this theory/comment? If there is some, I was not aware. :confused:
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide,
Care to share your citations and supporting proof, for this theory/comment? If there is some, I was not aware. :confused:
He is working on the tried and tested interweb method of I think = Fact
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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He is working on the tried and tested interweb method of I think = Fact
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
I think = Fact
Well, I do this from time to time as well, to be honest. I have been working on fixing this flaw of mine. However, to claim an important event was caused by suicide, without proof, is beyond me.
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Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature, I know it comes up as an option every time a plane crashes but has it ever been proved? or is it just an urban myth?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
I don't know, MH370 is a good contender though, but who overrode the code entry system to the cockpit? It can only be done from inside the cockpit. Perhaps it, and the auto pilot got turned off by mistake as the pilot passed out due to toxic air coming from the engines (happens with some planes/old engines a lot)? Perhaps they should have made the passangers move to the back of the plane to regain altitude? Who knows. It might take months to find out the true cause.
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Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature, I know it comes up as an option every time a plane crashes but has it ever been proved? or is it just an urban myth?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature...
Egypt Air 990 was found to be by the NTSB although the Egyptians didn't agree (well, they wouldn't, would they?), and SilkAir 185 almost certainly was, based on very strong evidence.
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I don't know, MH370 is a good contender though, but who overrode the code entry system to the cockpit? It can only be done from inside the cockpit. Perhaps it, and the auto pilot got turned off by mistake as the pilot passed out due to toxic air coming from the engines (happens with some planes/old engines a lot)? Perhaps they should have made the passangers move to the back of the plane to regain altitude? Who knows. It might take months to find out the true cause.
We don't actual know someone did, the other pilot may have forgotten the code, or the keypad may have been faulty or something that disabled the pilot may have also disable the door release (as well as turning off the autopilot) its guess work, and to blame the pilot when we don't know the facts is a bit unfair on the bloke, lets wait until the fact are known and not blame someone who may be total innocent same goes for MH370, it could have been aliens as far as the evidence can show I am not saying it was aliens (but it was)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature...
Egypt Air 990 was found to be by the NTSB although the Egyptians didn't agree (well, they wouldn't, would they?), and SilkAir 185 almost certainly was, based on very strong evidence.
Silkair 185 ? I thought this was a case of the rudder control going hardover (a know fault on this aircraft and one that has cause a couple of crashes) certainly the manufacture of the unit paid out to the families.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
I think = Fact
Well, I do this from time to time as well, to be honest. I have been working on fixing this flaw of mine. However, to claim an important event was caused by suicide, without proof, is beyond me.
Is it being hijacked by the US Government any less bazar?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Silkair 185 ? I thought this was a case of the rudder control going hardover (a know fault on this aircraft and one that has cause a couple of crashes) certainly the manufacture of the unit paid out to the families.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
The NTSB came to the conclusion that it was "the crash was the result of deliberate flight control inputs, most likely by the captain." However, the Indonesian NTSC blamed a rudder hard over. In the court case, the judge did not permit the NTSB report to be admitted into evidence, with the obvious conclusion. Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.
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The NTSB came to the conclusion that it was "the crash was the result of deliberate flight control inputs, most likely by the captain." However, the Indonesian NTSC blamed a rudder hard over. In the court case, the judge did not permit the NTSB report to be admitted into evidence, with the obvious conclusion. Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.
I wasn't aware that the NTSB report wasn't allowed only that the case was decided against the manufacture of the servo From the latest info from the French investigator it is being to look like suicide of the co-pilot is the most likely explanation although the senior pilot leaving the flight deck without calling the head steward to stand in is against proceedure
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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He is working on the tried and tested interweb method of I think = Fact
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
You are working on the tried and tested interweb method of Poor reading comprehension = Put words in a persons mouth "Seems pretty obvious" != "this is fact"
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You are working on the tried and tested interweb method of Poor reading comprehension = Put words in a persons mouth "Seems pretty obvious" != "this is fact"
OK I will give you that, I should have put I think = Seems pretty obvious
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
