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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Same thing I see with Linq/Lambdas ; it's still just the Cult of Fewer Keystrokes. X|

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    Lost User
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    Also var everywhere X|

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      Also var everywhere X|

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      Oh, yes, but I include that as part of Linq -- given that it was only added to support Linq's/Lambda's anonymous types.

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        Also var everywhere X|

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        Slacker007
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        I use (our team uses) var, where applicable. Nothing wrong with it, unless you are using notepad to edit your code. :)

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          I use (our team uses) var, where applicable. Nothing wrong with it, unless you are using notepad to edit your code. :)

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          Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int? If so, why the hell?

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            Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int? If so, why the hell?

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            Slacker007
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            harold aptroot wrote:

            Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int?

            no. I did say "where applicable". We use var on list returns and some lamda/linq stuff, but not everywhere. Edit: I have never run into an issue with "var". Visual Studio lets me know what the type is, if I need to know it.

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              harold aptroot wrote:

              Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int?

              no. I did say "where applicable". We use var on list returns and some lamda/linq stuff, but not everywhere. Edit: I have never run into an issue with "var". Visual Studio lets me know what the type is, if I need to know it.

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              Ok good.

              Slacker007 wrote:

              "where applicable"

              Well that's the thing. There's a school of thought that it is applicable any time it is allowed.

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                Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int? If so, why the hell?

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                Mauro Leggieri
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                To obfuscate variable type ;P

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                  Ok good.

                  Slacker007 wrote:

                  "where applicable"

                  Well that's the thing. There's a school of thought that it is applicable any time it is allowed.

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                  harold aptroot wrote:

                  There's a school of thought that it is applicable any time it is allowed.

                  I use ReSharper a lot, and it will ask you everytime it can to use implicit type declaration. So, I can see why some devs out there may think that it is good for everything. However, I have debugged code files that have had "var" all over the place, and it has not been an issue. If for some reason, I cannot tell the type, then hovering over "var" will tell you.

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                    harold aptroot wrote:

                    There's a school of thought that it is applicable any time it is allowed.

                    I use ReSharper a lot, and it will ask you everytime it can to use implicit type declaration. So, I can see why some devs out there may think that it is good for everything. However, I have debugged code files that have had "var" all over the place, and it has not been an issue. If for some reason, I cannot tell the type, then hovering over "var" will tell you.

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Try doing a code review in Crucible where someone's abused var and then see how you feel about that. ;)

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc

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                      Mladen Jankovic
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                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                      If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer?

                      Dunno, money? But seriously, it's the most boring part.

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                        Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int? If so, why the hell?

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                        Mladen Jankovic
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                        I am. Why the hell not? It's more aesthetically pleasing and in most cases it does not reduce readability (for me, for you - don't care). I haven't use it much in C# before C++11 assigned new meaning to auto. Then I started replacing crap like this std::unordered_map<std::string, boring_class>::const_iterator with auto and then moved the habit to C#.

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                          harold aptroot wrote:

                          Are you one of Those People who use var instead of int?

                          no. I did say "where applicable". We use var on list returns and some lamda/linq stuff, but not everywhere. Edit: I have never run into an issue with "var". Visual Studio lets me know what the type is, if I need to know it.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Slacker007 wrote:

                          Visual Studio lets me know what the type is, if I need to know it.

                          Irrelevent. Try reading newbie code posted in QA.

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            Marc Clifton wrote:

                            If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer?

                            Voice control is always an option. I know devs who'd happily use it very loudly when inputting code that they (erroneously) believe to be genius, and only use the keyboard to input their dirty hacks. I'd say that there's a possible connection between those guys and your guys.

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                            • M Mladen Jankovic

                              I am. Why the hell not? It's more aesthetically pleasing and in most cases it does not reduce readability (for me, for you - don't care). I haven't use it much in C# before C++11 assigned new meaning to auto. Then I started replacing crap like this std::unordered_map<std::string, boring_class>::const_iterator with auto and then moved the habit to C#.

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                              Slacker007
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                              Thank you. Exactly.

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                                I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc

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                                Mycroft Holmes
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                                Thank you, I needed a good chuckle this morning. I do enjoy your rants, they align with my thinking rather nicely.

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc

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                                  Abhinav S
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                                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                                  oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type

                                  Have you used LINQ? Do you know it reduces the amount of.....Oops.

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    Same thing I see with Linq/Lambdas ; it's still just the Cult of Fewer Keystrokes. X|

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                                    JimmyRopes
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                                    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                    Same thing I see with Linq/Lambdas ; it's still just the Cult of Fewer Keystrokes. X|

                                    I really like linq/lambdas. They unify the way many various things are accessed, and in my opinion make the code more readable. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

                                    Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs

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                                      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                      Same thing I see with Linq/Lambdas ; it's still just the Cult of Fewer Keystrokes. X|

                                      I really like linq/lambdas. They unify the way many various things are accessed, and in my opinion make the code more readable. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

                                      Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      JimmyRopes wrote:

                                      They unify the way many various things are accessed

                                      To the lowest common, and therefore the least efficient, method possible. And it's unreadable.

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                                        I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc

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                                        Brady Kelly
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                                        I always try and reduce the amount of code I type. I live by Intellisense and code snippets, or ReSharper's Live Templates, but, I am not scared of typing out long and meaningful member names to start with. That is, I loath contractions and acronyms in code.

                                        No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc

                                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                          Roger Wright
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                                          You sound like me, sometimes; you must be getting old, too. I once set out to master C++, and I spent many years trying to do so. But MS decided that everything had to run on an event-driven model, and get filtered through MFC, and have most of the code written by a robot and hidden from the programmer who was trying to learn the language. After 10 years, I gave up trying; coincidentally, MS gave up MFC about the same time. I come from a background in which, if there's no OS to work with, write one. If there's no off-the-shelf compiler, write one. If there's no language appropriate to the task, create one, and the tools to compile and link the modules. We're dinosaurs, Marc. The kids want all the hard parts done for them, while they spend their time making pretty, politically correct GUIs to make the Great Unwashed feel like they know how to operate a computer. We all know better, but if we tell them what we really think about their silly ideas and idiotic notions about what computers can and should do for us, we'll probably get fired. Roll with it, and keep praying for that big Lottery win; that's my retirement plan, and I'm sticking to it! :-D

                                          Will Rogers never met me.

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