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Proof of the astronomical probability that You do not exist !

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  • M Mark_Wallace

    You obviously go to different casinos than those I've visited.

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    Kenneth Haugland
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    Casinos are illegal in this country so you see why I think as I do :laugh:

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      Casinos are illegal in this country so you see why I think as I do :laugh:

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      Mark_Wallace
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      That's a good start. When they also ban politicians, accountants, insurance companies, lawyers, marketing morons, salesmen, and [anything]-evangelists, you can expect a call from me, to hit you up for temporary accommodation while I look for a house!

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      • L Lost User

        See Bell's Inequality, and this[^]. It's not just that we don't know enough to do a real prediction, the outcome really is random.

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        Kenneth Haugland
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        Well, I`'m non the wiser: Bell's theorem rules out local hidden variables as a viable explanation of quantum mechanics (though it still leaves the door open for non-local hidden variables). Sounds to me like they can't really show cause and effect of anything with absolute certainty?

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        • M Mark_Wallace

          That's a good start. When they also ban politicians, accountants, insurance companies, lawyers, marketing morons, salesmen, and [anything]-evangelists, you can expect a call from me, to hit you up for temporary accommodation while I look for a house!

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          Kenneth Haugland
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          Mark_Wallace wrote:

          When they also ban politicians, accountants, insurance companies, lawyers, marketing morons, salesmen, and [anything]-evangelists, you can expect a call from me, to hit you up for temporary accommodation while I look for a house!

          :laugh:

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          • K Kenneth Haugland

            Well, I`'m non the wiser: Bell's theorem rules out local hidden variables as a viable explanation of quantum mechanics (though it still leaves the door open for non-local hidden variables). Sounds to me like they can't really show cause and effect of anything with absolute certainty?

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            Lost User
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            Bell's theorem says that if there are hidden variables, they must be non-local. But non-local hidden variables communicate faster than the speed of light, which is bad.

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              Bell's theorem says that if there are hidden variables, they must be non-local. But non-local hidden variables communicate faster than the speed of light, which is bad.

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              Kenneth Haugland
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              I'm not entirely sure what the meaning of the words are, as per usual in these theorems. But it was said of QM that if you hit a tennis ball and infinite number of times on a wall it will at one point just pass through the wall. The theorem seem to say that QM can influence the result in any way? :doh:

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              • K Kenneth Haugland

                Mark_Wallace wrote:

                When they also ban politicians, accountants, insurance companies, lawyers, marketing morons, salesmen, and [anything]-evangelists, you can expect a call from me, to hit you up for temporary accommodation while I look for a house!

                :laugh:

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                Mark_Wallace
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                You're right. Elegance is simplicity.

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                • M Mark_Wallace

                  You're right. Elegance is simplicity.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Kenneth Haugland
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                  Love and hate are simple feelings, however the results are sadly often not elegant ;)

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                  • L Lost User

                    Bell's theorem says that if there are hidden variables, they must be non-local. But non-local hidden variables communicate faster than the speed of light, which is bad.

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                    Nelek
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                    harold aptroot wrote:

                    communicate faster than the speed of light,

                    Hey... like my GF ;P

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    • L Lost User

                      See Bell's Inequality, and this[^]. It's not just that we don't know enough to do a real prediction, the outcome really is random.

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                      Mladen Jankovic
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                      And for some reason people will always have hard time accepting this.

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                      • B BillWoodruff

                        I've always had my doubts since I was wee tad and heard my parents talking, and my father saying: "but, where did he come from ?:" [^]

                        «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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                        BillWoodruff
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                        My interpretation of the "reverse statistics" is not that they contradict any proof we do exist; rather that they contrarily confirm the 100% probability we do not exist is as improbable as the belief/experience/assertion that we do exist, and that what we do experience as our "existence" in what we belive is a one-way arrow of time is, in fact, a fiction of an astoundingly improbable miracle, as much an artifact of our symbiosis with the virus of language as anything else. Any pseudo-factoid that assists one to walk the razor's edge that never shaved Occam is, ergo, an entheogenic homeopathic remedy. To awake to that is to know Chuang Tzu's inner state at the moment he was not sure he was a butterfly dreaming he was a man, or a man dreaming he was a butterfly; it is to know what Dorothy speaks of when she said: "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore." In that moment the experience of both "butterfly-ness" and "human-ness" is never more crystal-clear, not to mention Kansas, red-slippers, etc. Which way is Capistrano ? I think I need to roost.

                        «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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                        • B BillWoodruff

                          I've always had my doubts since I was wee tad and heard my parents talking, and my father saying: "but, where did he come from ?:" [^]

                          «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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                          Ron Anders
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                          Cool. later.

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            The guy obviously hasn't figured out why statistical calculations are never done going backward: You always end up at the same starting point, which is zero. Before the beginning of the universe, the probability of anything at all being as it is today was zero, which is fair enough. But, since then, a lot of things have happened (I think it must be more than eleven), each one of which has increased the probability of everything being exactly as it is now. Ask the Bueller kid: If you prop your dad's sports car up on axle props and run it in reverse, the wheels may go backward, but the milometer remains exactly as it is. i.e. the probability of your father having met your mother remains at 100%; the probability of your grandparents having met remains at 100%, etc. Gawd! that's more than plenty serious discussion, for today. From the rest of the day, the probability of my postings being idiotic is at 120% (and rising!).

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                            BillWoodruff
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                            Mark_Wallace wrote:

                            Before the beginning of the universe, the probability of anything at all being as it is today was zero,

                            I feel less alone knowing we share such humble beginnings. thanks, Bill

                            «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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                            • M Mark_Wallace

                              The guy obviously hasn't figured out why statistical calculations are never done going backward: You always end up at the same starting point, which is zero. Before the beginning of the universe, the probability of anything at all being as it is today was zero, which is fair enough. But, since then, a lot of things have happened (I think it must be more than eleven), each one of which has increased the probability of everything being exactly as it is now. Ask the Bueller kid: If you prop your dad's sports car up on axle props and run it in reverse, the wheels may go backward, but the milometer remains exactly as it is. i.e. the probability of your father having met your mother remains at 100%; the probability of your grandparents having met remains at 100%, etc. Gawd! that's more than plenty serious discussion, for today. From the rest of the day, the probability of my postings being idiotic is at 120% (and rising!).

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              Lost User
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                              Mark_Wallace wrote:

                              Before the beginning of the universe,

                              But there was no before ...

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                                Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                Before the beginning of the universe,

                                But there was no before ...

                                PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                                Mark_Wallace
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                                Sure there was. We totally unimportant creatures on a totally unimportant world in a totally unimportant solar system in a totally unimportant arm of a totally unimportant galaxy in a totally unimportant tiny region of the universe don't know what it was like, but the universe doesn't care about our opinion, because it's totally unimportant.

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                                • M Mark_Wallace

                                  Sure there was. We totally unimportant creatures on a totally unimportant world in a totally unimportant solar system in a totally unimportant arm of a totally unimportant galaxy in a totally unimportant tiny region of the universe don't know what it was like, but the universe doesn't care about our opinion, because it's totally unimportant.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                  totally unimportant creatures

                                  Speak for yourself ;) Depends if the single-big-bang theory is true, really. If Time started with the big bang, then the very concept of 'before' cannot exist.

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                                    Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                    totally unimportant creatures

                                    Speak for yourself ;) Depends if the single-big-bang theory is true, really. If Time started with the big bang, then the very concept of 'before' cannot exist.

                                    PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                                    Mark_Wallace
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                                    Time became what it is with the big bang; that's subtly different from starting. Still, why waste energy thinking about it? Sooner or later, someone (possibly on a different but equally totally unimportant planet) will make a time machine, and there'll be another big bang, so every totally unimportant thing we ever do will be gone.

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                                    • M Mark_Wallace

                                      Time became what it is with the big bang; that's subtly different from starting. Still, why waste energy thinking about it? Sooner or later, someone (possibly on a different but equally totally unimportant planet) will make a time machine, and there'll be another big bang, so every totally unimportant thing we ever do will be gone.

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                                      Lost User
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                                      or maybe it's already happened :)

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                                      • M Marc Clifton

                                        Ah, the way statistics can manipulate reality. On the other hand, the probably that any human exists is 100% -- after all, humans exist. It's irrelevant to ask the probably that I exist because all those humans that exist are "I's" and the ones that don't are obviously "not I." In other words, you cannot have a human exist that is not an "I" (meaning, a unique individual to which we can say "you" to.) Silly statistics. :) Marc

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                                        Nish Nishant
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                                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                                        Silly statistics

                                        Three statisticians go hunting together. They see a deer, and the first statistician shoots, but his shot misses by a foot to the left. Then the second statistician shoots, but his shot misses by a foot to the right. The third statistician says "Okay, we got it!"

                                        Regards, Nish


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                                        • M Mark_Wallace

                                          You obviously go to different casinos than those I've visited.

                                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                          Member 10707677
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                                          I usually go to casinos to visit my money.

                                          The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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