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Friendly Fire always seems to be American

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  • D Doug Goulden

    Money, self interest, betrayal? Surely not the French? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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    Paul Belikian
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    Of course not...they just want a peace of the pie! ;P:-D:(:-D;):)

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    • S Sean Reilly

      I'm sure there is the odd incident where the side doing the firing isn't American, but I haven't heard of any. Is this trend due to the sheer prevalence of US forces and arms or due to a wider degree of incompetance? Even rated on a proportional basis, the Americans do seem to screw up a lot. Just goes to show - there's nothing more dangerous than a dumb user.

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      Marc Clifton
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      No, no, no. It's not the American firing the missile that's screwing up. It's the geek the Army hired to write the software that GUIDES the missile that's screwing up. Users will always be dumb. That's why we spend most of our time writing software that protects them from themselves. It's just harder to protect yourself from the software engineer and HIS/HER mistakes. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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      • K KaRl

        Paul Belikian wrote: Maybe it's because most of the 300,000 troops are American? Intersting point. How many Americans are in Iraq and how many of them are fighting troops "on the field" (ie not services, intendance, HQ..) ? US Army is known to have a lot of services to follow the battle core. During WW2, Marshall hoped to make 212 divisions with 8 millions men, but finally could only make 90 (+ the armoured divisions? can't remember), because of the inflation of the services. So I wonder how many troops the US really use. Even 300 000 men seem pretty a pretty low number to take and control such a big country.


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        Richard Stringer
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        KaЯl wrote: So I wonder how many troops the US really use. Even 300 000 men seem pretty a pretty low number to take and control such a big country Last estimate I heard was of about 325000 troops on the ground about 120000 are actual front line combat troops. Another interesting fact that must be worring Saddam just a bit ( if the despot is still capable of worring about anything ) is that our two elite army units - the 101'st Cav and the 82'd Airborne ( My old unit - and my fathers - and my sons ) are not yet , at least as far as published reports are concerned , fully deployeed. Maybe they are being held in reserve for the final push into Baghdad but who knows. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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        • S Sean Reilly

          I'm sure there is the odd incident where the side doing the firing isn't American, but I haven't heard of any. Is this trend due to the sheer prevalence of US forces and arms or due to a wider degree of incompetance? Even rated on a proportional basis, the Americans do seem to screw up a lot. Just goes to show - there's nothing more dangerous than a dumb user.

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          Brad Jennings
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          Sean Reilly wrote: Is this trend due to the sheer prevalence of US forces and arms or due to a wider degree of incompetance? Yeah, that's it, all Americans are retards. We're so stupid we have trouble feeding ourselves. Oh, by the way, thanks for spreading around the hate, we really needed it.:| Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

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          • J Jason Henderson

            More anti-US crap out of Karl the commie. X|

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            jan larsen
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            Sorry in advance, but I.. just... can't... ARGH.. RESIST!...: More communist scared bullshit from Jason the nazi. ;P "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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            • S Sean Reilly

              I'm sure there is the odd incident where the side doing the firing isn't American, but I haven't heard of any. Is this trend due to the sheer prevalence of US forces and arms or due to a wider degree of incompetance? Even rated on a proportional basis, the Americans do seem to screw up a lot. Just goes to show - there's nothing more dangerous than a dumb user.

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              Sean Reilly wrote: this trend due to the sheer prevalence of US forces and arms Yes. If 90% of the activity is being performed by Americans, 90% of the errors will be attributable to American forces. The other participants will eventually make thier fair share of mistakes, and we'll hear about them in due time... Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

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              • P Paul Belikian

                Well, the object of the war is not to take control of the country; it's to free the Iraqi people. ;P It's very interesting that France wants a huge part in rebuilding Iraq. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they will be losing billions in oil contracts if Saddam is out and the US/UK are in?

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                Paul Belikian wrote: Well, the object of the war is not to take control of the country; it's to free the Iraqi people Yes, of course. It's famously known that if Iraq had no resource in Oil and Water, the US would have act the same as they did with NK China Pakistan Cuba...euh, could you give me a sample please? ;P Paul Belikian wrote: I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they will be losing billions in oil contracts if Saddam is out and the US/UK are in? I think that french oil companies invest in Irak since the 20's, much before the installation of the Baath party by the CIA at the head of the iraqi state. so I don't see why they would have to stop, except by being ousted by american companies.


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                • D Doug Goulden

                  Karl I'm starting to think you are a war groupie, if I could read your website :wtf: I might be able to tell.:-D Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                  Doug Goulden wrote: I'm starting to think you are a war groupie I'm not an absolute pacifist if it's your point. Doug Goulden wrote: I could read your website A good reason to start to learn french ;)


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                  • L Lost User

                    KaЯl wrote: ground forces are needed to occupy the field We may be going on the assumption (right or wrong) that once liberated the Iraqis won't need to be occupied. Whip some aid on them, help them rebuild and let them go. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                    "I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

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                    KaRl
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                    When I said "occupy" I was referring to the presence on the battle field, not to the post-war administration, which is IMO a totally different problem.


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                    • P Paul Belikian

                      Well, the object of the war is not to take control of the country; it's to free the Iraqi people. ;P It's very interesting that France wants a huge part in rebuilding Iraq. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they will be losing billions in oil contracts if Saddam is out and the US/UK are in?

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                      Brakanjan
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                      Paul Belikian wrote: and the US/UK are in aaag, finally the reason for the war. Thanks Paul.

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                      • J jan larsen

                        Sorry in advance, but I.. just... can't... ARGH.. RESIST!...: More communist scared bullshit from Jason the nazi. ;P "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                        Jason Henderson
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                        You're darn right I'm scared! Communism is something to be very scared about, IMO. BTW, I'm pretty far from being a Nazi. Closer to an anarchist than a nazi.

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                        • K KaRl

                          Paul Belikian wrote: Well, the object of the war is not to take control of the country; it's to free the Iraqi people Yes, of course. It's famously known that if Iraq had no resource in Oil and Water, the US would have act the same as they did with NK China Pakistan Cuba...euh, could you give me a sample please? ;P Paul Belikian wrote: I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they will be losing billions in oil contracts if Saddam is out and the US/UK are in? I think that french oil companies invest in Irak since the 20's, much before the installation of the Baath party by the CIA at the head of the iraqi state. so I don't see why they would have to stop, except by being ousted by american companies.


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                          Paul Belikian
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                          KaЯl wrote: It's famously known that if Iraq had no resource in Oil and Water, the US would have act the same as they did with NK China Pakistan Cuba...euh, could you give me a sample please? Uh, would Afghanistan be an appropriate example?

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                          • P Paul Belikian

                            KaЯl wrote: It's famously known that if Iraq had no resource in Oil and Water, the US would have act the same as they did with NK China Pakistan Cuba...euh, could you give me a sample please? Uh, would Afghanistan be an appropriate example?

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                            KaRl
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                            Hum, no, the Taliban regim actually attacked the US first.


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