You Want Aluminum Foil? What's your hat size?
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I don't really care if the FBI tracks me by my cell phone. I really don't. When I become an international bad boy, then maaaybe, I might care.
Slacker007 wrote:
I don't really care if the FBI tracks me by my cell phone. I really don't.
iToldYouSo :~
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So yesterday the news (I forgot which) reported how both iPhones and Android phones were busily tracking and recording your locations, storing them on your phone. Disabling this feature (should you find out about it) is buried several layers deep, particularly so for the iPhone. I'm a privacy nut but it doesn't bother me. I don't have an iPhone (or iAnything). I don't have an Android device. If it weren't immodest of me, I'd chastise everyone I know with hearty I-Told-You-So. They'd respond that it doesn't bother them and then, when I'm safely out of sight, fret about it. So - my advice to you - one and all. Protect yourself with the blessed insight of none other than Michael Faraday: wrap your phone in aluminum foil and never be tracked (or otherwise disturbed) again. Which emoticon is symbolizes gloating?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
So Apple and Google are also part of the conspiracy to make us buy more tin (aluminum) foil. This is bigger than I thought! ;)
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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Coder (Hired) wrote:
How is it unsafe?
I assumed the previous already explained the danger of sharing sensitive information :)
Coder (Hired) wrote:
What rights did you lose?
Freedom is not just about rights.
Coder (Hired) wrote:
... none of which effect you whatsoever.
It cannot otherwise than affect me, as it would be rather global, not local.
Coder (Hired) wrote:
How exactly does this effect you? We're at war now... how are you effected?
I'm Dutch, and not in any war AFAIK. In the case your "we" is American, I will have to refuse to answer.
Coder (Hired) wrote:
All are non-issues, and some are way out there whacko.
Thanks. I would not trust any government with all that information, so no chance I'd trust a company with it.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
Hey Eddy, ever get get the feeling you're talking to narks? :laugh:
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Hey Eddy, ever get get the feeling you're talking to narks? :laugh:
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I don't really care if the FBI tracks me by my cell phone. I really don't. When I become an international bad boy, then maaaybe, I might care.
I find it useful that my phone knows where I am and where I go. It allows it to tell me of any upcoming traffic problems and it always knows how to get me home if I don't. It can even tell me of interesting things or places nearby when I am away from home. For someone as essentially lazy as me I find this very useful. I also fail to see that this has, or could have, any negative impact on me at all. It might get more adds that are targeted to me, big deal, I have been happily ignoring the ones that aren't for years now. If I do decide to take up a life of crime and take a smart phone along with me then I don't think it is them being evil that would get me caught, but me being a dickhead. So Google, please remember where I am, because sometimes I can't.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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So Apple and Google are also part of the conspiracy to make us buy more tin (aluminum) foil. This is bigger than I thought! ;)
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
:laugh: I laughed so hard at this one. :thumbsup:
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I find it useful that my phone knows where I am and where I go. It allows it to tell me of any upcoming traffic problems and it always knows how to get me home if I don't. It can even tell me of interesting things or places nearby when I am away from home. For someone as essentially lazy as me I find this very useful. I also fail to see that this has, or could have, any negative impact on me at all. It might get more adds that are targeted to me, big deal, I have been happily ignoring the ones that aren't for years now. If I do decide to take up a life of crime and take a smart phone along with me then I don't think it is them being evil that would get me caught, but me being a dickhead. So Google, please remember where I am, because sometimes I can't.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
Well said.
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Why do you care if anyone tracks your location??? So what?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
I can tell you don't care. Member since Sat 2 Oct 2004 (10 years, 6 months) No Bio. No Picture. No . . . anything. What's the big secret(s)? Obviously, privacy doesn't matter to you. With over ten years to do some revelations, I don't think you try the 'too busy' version of why not. So - we await your photo, bio, family details, phone numbers, etc.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Late to the party but I just asked him why, after 10 years on CP, he has no photo, no bio, no information at all - what has he to hide? Also requested he post his phone numbers, family details, etc.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So yesterday the news (I forgot which) reported how both iPhones and Android phones were busily tracking and recording your locations, storing them on your phone. Disabling this feature (should you find out about it) is buried several layers deep, particularly so for the iPhone. I'm a privacy nut but it doesn't bother me. I don't have an iPhone (or iAnything). I don't have an Android device. If it weren't immodest of me, I'd chastise everyone I know with hearty I-Told-You-So. They'd respond that it doesn't bother them and then, when I'm safely out of sight, fret about it. So - my advice to you - one and all. Protect yourself with the blessed insight of none other than Michael Faraday: wrap your phone in aluminum foil and never be tracked (or otherwise disturbed) again. Which emoticon is symbolizes gloating?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Privacy was a dream in the past. Here is another one: how-old.net.
TOMZ_KV
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So yesterday the news (I forgot which) reported how both iPhones and Android phones were busily tracking and recording your locations, storing them on your phone. Disabling this feature (should you find out about it) is buried several layers deep, particularly so for the iPhone. I'm a privacy nut but it doesn't bother me. I don't have an iPhone (or iAnything). I don't have an Android device. If it weren't immodest of me, I'd chastise everyone I know with hearty I-Told-You-So. They'd respond that it doesn't bother them and then, when I'm safely out of sight, fret about it. So - my advice to you - one and all. Protect yourself with the blessed insight of none other than Michael Faraday: wrap your phone in aluminum foil and never be tracked (or otherwise disturbed) again. Which emoticon is symbolizes gloating?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
For me, I don't give a bugger, and even consider parts of it useful. For children, it's another matter altogether. While it may be nice to have a real-time location thingy, to know where your children are, I see storage of such data as unwanted, and potentially harmful. If some loony targets a child, all they have to do is steal or clone their phone, and instantly gain access to their regular habits -- where they go, and when. I don't like it. Disable it for kids; make it opt-in, not opt-out.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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For me, I don't give a bugger, and even consider parts of it useful. For children, it's another matter altogether. While it may be nice to have a real-time location thingy, to know where your children are, I see storage of such data as unwanted, and potentially harmful. If some loony targets a child, all they have to do is steal or clone their phone, and instantly gain access to their regular habits -- where they go, and when. I don't like it. Disable it for kids; make it opt-in, not opt-out.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
It should always be only opt-in. For adults, it let's someone determine when they'd be away from home (if they're lucky, only for burglary). It's a stalker's delight. Adults can be hurt if their whereabouts are monitored, as well. Aside from that, we seem to agree.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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If it were 'only' the FBI, CIA, or NSA it wouldn't be so bad. It's elephanting apple and google. To them, your info is a commodity.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
To them, your info is a commodity.
Lets be honest... to large corporations your existence is a commodity. None of this really bothers me though... as for the FBI, CIA, NSA - I don't do anything they'd be interested in. As for Apple, Google, Microsoft - I've learned to 100% completely ignore online advertisement. Its a gift! :cool:
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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It should always be only opt-in. For adults, it let's someone determine when they'd be away from home (if they're lucky, only for burglary). It's a stalker's delight. Adults can be hurt if their whereabouts are monitored, as well. Aside from that, we seem to agree.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
it let's someone determine when they'd be away from home
If a burglar's looking for targets, they can just use twatter perfectly legally, which requires almost zero effort or planning, so you only need to opt out if there is a personal risk that you already know about. Bank managers and politicians should opt out, for example, because everyone hates them, but your average Joe? Nah. The only people who might want to use such information are marketing morons, but even they have easier routes to take.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
To them, your info is a commodity.
Lets be honest... to large corporations your existence is a commodity. None of this really bothers me though... as for the FBI, CIA, NSA - I don't do anything they'd be interested in. As for Apple, Google, Microsoft - I've learned to 100% completely ignore online advertisement. Its a gift! :cool:
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
After recently helping a friend pay for adwords... I was SO SHOCKED at the prices. We are talking $5.00, $12.00 and $20.00 click through charges! OMG. Maybe because we chose a geographic area, but the fees across the board are SO much higher than we thought. His results. He spent $600 and got one person to call him. We both decided a direct mail piece was probably a better way to go. So, now, when I get an annoying ad. I click on it. A LOT! In different sessions. In fact, I was thinking about writing an App for that! This led to the an ugly conclusion about the net... LOL.
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So yesterday the news (I forgot which) reported how both iPhones and Android phones were busily tracking and recording your locations, storing them on your phone. Disabling this feature (should you find out about it) is buried several layers deep, particularly so for the iPhone. I'm a privacy nut but it doesn't bother me. I don't have an iPhone (or iAnything). I don't have an Android device. If it weren't immodest of me, I'd chastise everyone I know with hearty I-Told-You-So. They'd respond that it doesn't bother them and then, when I'm safely out of sight, fret about it. So - my advice to you - one and all. Protect yourself with the blessed insight of none other than Michael Faraday: wrap your phone in aluminum foil and never be tracked (or otherwise disturbed) again. Which emoticon is symbolizes gloating?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
To quote Buffalo Springfield: "Paranoia strikes deep, Into you life it will creep..." And from I don't remember who..."Just because you're paranoid, does not mean that someone is not out to get you...." :-\ :omg:
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To quote Buffalo Springfield: "Paranoia strikes deep, Into you life it will creep..." And from I don't remember who..."Just because you're paranoid, does not mean that someone is not out to get you...." :-\ :omg:
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" I'm Afraid I Don't Know What I'm Afraid Of " - Balboos 2015.05.01
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Nothing you posted here makes any sense, nor has any remote chance of effecting your daily life.. 1) Movement.. You can move around just fine - with or without your phone on you. 2) Safety.. not sure how safety comes in here. What's unsafe about location tracking? 3) Liberty.. what rights would you lose with this feature on? 4) "politicians and other interesting people" - wait, what? huh? 5) Wartime - there's a war on now.. How has your phone's location services had any effect on it, or been affected by it? 6) Sharing - Again, so what.. This has been going on for years with all kinds of advertising. I really don't get the "phone => location" hysteria. The only reason I turned by off is because it means apps are running -and my battery dies faster. Personnaly I don't care about any of the things you point out. All are non-issues, and some are way out there whacko.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
Let me play the Devil's advocate of why it is BAD to give the government unfettered access to this information. Lets pretend someone in the agency wants to run for Public Office. But they need Donor money to make this happen. So, they run a simple geofence around rich neighborhoods (really rich). They also geofence all of the hotels (both are already done for them, BTW). Now, they take META data. Phone #, Time/Date, GPS location. They run a simple enough query. Find every phone that normally spends the night in the right neighborhoods, that also spends the nights (or large parts of it), in the Nice hotels on some nights. [People who might be having an affair] Next, find multiple occurrences, and then find the phones that are consistently (more than once), near that phone, those nights in the hotel. [The person, they are probably having an affair with]. Next, cross reference the original phones with their work locations, double check that they are not working for the government, or are judges. Take this list, and "Suggest Kindly" that you know about the affair, and that your Campaign needs a SMALL amount of cash. And suddenly, you are a politician. I have watched SIMILAR transactions occur, against wealthy people that I know. When they refused, they had charges brought against them, in a CLEAR SMEAR campaign, and were forced to literally step down from their companies, and in hindsight said they should have just paid the money, it cost them too much!!! The charges eventually went away... Settled out of court. Information is NEITHER good nor bad. How it is used, CAN be either. There are a lot of positive uses. They can identify the rioters in Baltimore! Bring up DL Photos, and cross reference, and make arrests later on. Now, the interesting part is that they will probably not use this data in this way. If not, all arguments for keeping it seem moot! == The issue is not the data. This issue is not how honest you are. This issue is really about having it used against you in some unforeseeable way, and then having the government (who admits that their agents are REQUIRED to lie under oath about some of its existence and usage, look into the sting ray device usage), use this information to exact some kind of justice. I will give you one more. Right now, the IRS can seize all of your bank assets for depositing too much cash under the $10,000 threshold. They can do this on daily transactions of $3,000 -$5,000. And you have to sue them to get it back. Now, someon
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For me, I don't give a bugger, and even consider parts of it useful. For children, it's another matter altogether. While it may be nice to have a real-time location thingy, to know where your children are, I see storage of such data as unwanted, and potentially harmful. If some loony targets a child, all they have to do is steal or clone their phone, and instantly gain access to their regular habits -- where they go, and when. I don't like it. Disable it for kids; make it opt-in, not opt-out.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If some loony targets a child, all they have to do is steal or clone their phone, and instantly gain access to their regular habits -- where they go, and when.
Ah yes, because that's so much simpler than simply knowing what school they attend five days a week - something which, if they are targeting the child, they already have locked in their brains. Are you for real?
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So yesterday the news (I forgot which) reported how both iPhones and Android phones were busily tracking and recording your locations, storing them on your phone. Disabling this feature (should you find out about it) is buried several layers deep, particularly so for the iPhone. I'm a privacy nut but it doesn't bother me. I don't have an iPhone (or iAnything). I don't have an Android device. If it weren't immodest of me, I'd chastise everyone I know with hearty I-Told-You-So. They'd respond that it doesn't bother them and then, when I'm safely out of sight, fret about it. So - my advice to you - one and all. Protect yourself with the blessed insight of none other than Michael Faraday: wrap your phone in aluminum foil and never be tracked (or otherwise disturbed) again. Which emoticon is symbolizes gloating?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Let's just hope that none of the privacy nutters finds themselves hitting a tree on a quiet road one night, manage to dial the emergency number but lose consciousness before they can utter a word! After all such a scenario is only thousands (if not millions) of times more likely than anyone causing you harm as a result of your phone knowing where you are!