Low code development
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Yikes. I thought those kind of things died by 2000. Around '95 I was introduced to a very evil Frankenstein that generated VB-like code (maybe crossed with COBOL) based on a flowchart you created with a GUI. Luckily I wasn't a coder then and this was just a novelty for my boss.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
Not bloody ``Things`` by any chance? I remember the ``ThingsDB`` data layer and it truly was a steaming bucket of excrement!
veni bibi saltavi
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Not bloody ``Things`` by any chance? I remember the ``ThingsDB`` data layer and it truly was a steaming bucket of excrement!
veni bibi saltavi
I dunno what the name was, but
Thingsdoes ring a microscopic bell somewhere. I don't remember seeing a data layer as such, but maybe back then I didn't know to look at or for one.No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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This lot may not be a good source of opinions on enterprise type software. From my VERY limited experience with these things the "development" is mostly configuring their framework. The only validity for the expression
low codewould be low value code. A framework is an abstraction layer and I would consider these to be very abstracted. You probably need to find a forum of configurers rather than developers.Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I think that is not only matter of configuring their framework. Most of the activities will be spent on process design, including coding C# scripts and where complexity depends from the process you are defining.
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my experience of this type of platform is that it works fine if you can change your systems to follow how the platform works, else you end up doing 3x the coding to get round issues with the platform
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
It sounds like you've been working with SAP. That works best if you change all systems, including your country's taxation and accounting system, to adjust for SAP.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Brady Kelly wrote:
In twenty years of coding, I have never heard of such an animal.
Back in 2005, I worked for a company who's main IDE (if you can call it such a thing) was Omnis Studio (it's still around, weirdly enough http://www.tigerlogic.com/tigerlogic/omnis/products/studio/[^]) It was sold as a "4th generation language" (referring to the Omnis language) and was so advanced that you weren't allowed to type your own code, but had to select the appropriate keywords from a context sensitive list. I was glad to see the back of that :laugh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
I think that such things belong to the past. I worked with such tools known as CASE, RAD or 4GL (i was even a PowerBuilder developer :-)) The new paradigma of BPM is focusing on process design and coding it with any script language (if needed)
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Hi Everybody, my company is going to start new age development of our legacy software using some of the low code platform available on the market. Please i really would like to have some feedbacks/opinion/suggestions about the "low code" development. For low code development i mean the one using BPM (Business process management) platforms. Thanks in advance
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I think that such things belong to the past. I worked with such tools known as CASE, RAD or 4GL (i was even a PowerBuilder developer :-)) The new paradigma of BPM is focusing on process design and coding it with any script language (if needed)
Luigi Esposito wrote:
I think that such things belong to the past.
They belonged to the past even back in 2005 :laugh:
Luigi Esposito wrote:
The new paradigma of [insert technology/methodology of your choice here] is..
If I had a quid for every time I'd heard a sentence starting like this.. :doh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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I dunno what the name was, but
Thingsdoes ring a microscopic bell somewhere. I don't remember seeing a data layer as such, but maybe back then I didn't know to look at or for one.No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
I can't remember the actul product but it was all Things This and Things That. What I do recall was that the company behind it was French; which goes to explain why it never actually worked.
veni bibi saltavi
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Yes Pega is one of the platforms..
I have used it - it is not too bad but the SQL it writes can be truly awful, and you spend nearly as long getting all the configuration settings right as you would coding the solution in a 3GL.
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Luigi Esposito wrote:
I think that such things belong to the past.
They belonged to the past even back in 2005 :laugh:
Luigi Esposito wrote:
The new paradigma of [insert technology/methodology of your choice here] is..
If I had a quid for every time I'd heard a sentence starting like this.. :doh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
:-) I'm not a fun of these platforms but some of them really seems to be very promising. Try to get a look at the Forrester research about low code development, it's a report very interesting ;-)
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
O worked for the Asia/Pacific arm back in 1999-2001 when thay were called PegaSystems. Got a free trip to the USA and England for training. In the US they sent me to Cambridge while in the UK it was Reading.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Hi Everybody, my company is going to start new age development of our legacy software using some of the low code platform available on the market. Please i really would like to have some feedbacks/opinion/suggestions about the "low code" development. For low code development i mean the one using BPM (Business process management) platforms. Thanks in advance
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Hi Everybody, my company is going to start new age development of our legacy software using some of the low code platform available on the market. Please i really would like to have some feedbacks/opinion/suggestions about the "low code" development. For low code development i mean the one using BPM (Business process management) platforms. Thanks in advance
Every language has it strengths and weaknesses. If it is easy to write it cant do much. If it is hard to write it can do magic. A bad decision can ruin the company by loosing some months in money and competitive edge!!! The ultimate guide are the interfaces/backbone or software with which it must work. I would stick to C# or Java to have enough power. Dont bet too much on buzzwords - you can loose ;-)
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:-) I'm not a fun of these platforms but some of them really seems to be very promising. Try to get a look at the Forrester research about low code development, it's a report very interesting ;-)
Sometimes they can have uses, but in the main it's a way of trying to create a product while avoiding coding.. :omg: There are many RAD-type platforms (call them what you will) and while you'll often get a reasonable product out for minimal effort, it usually doesn't take long before you come up against the limitations of the platform - be it capabilities, licensing, support or vendor issues, e.g. going out of business or dropping support for the platform you use :)
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Luigi Esposito wrote:
Or even worst... I could become a pillar of salt VB
FTFY!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Pile of VB, surley:~
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It sounds like you've been working with SAP. That works best if you change all systems, including your country's taxation and accounting system, to adjust for SAP.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
That works best if you change all systems, including your country's taxation and accounting system, to adjust for SAP.
.... and then pour a billion tons of cement to make sure that none of them ever able to change again.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
That works best if you change all systems, including your country's taxation and accounting system, to adjust for SAP.
.... and then pour a billion tons of cement to make sure that none of them ever able to change again.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
.... and then pour a billion tons of cement to make sure that none of them ever able to change again into buckets and add SAPs marketing department to the mix.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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This lot may not be a good source of opinions on enterprise type software. From my VERY limited experience with these things the "development" is mostly configuring their framework. The only validity for the expression
low codewould be low value code. A framework is an abstraction layer and I would consider these to be very abstracted. You probably need to find a forum of configurers rather than developers.Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
the "development" is mostly configuring their framework
Ah, sounds like IIS. X|
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I think that is not only matter of configuring their framework. Most of the activities will be spent on process design, including coding C# scripts and where complexity depends from the process you are defining.
Luigi Esposito wrote:
including coding C# scripts
I rest my case, any time you describe coding as writing scripts you are not looking at development requirements but configuration.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Hi Everybody, my company is going to start new age development of our legacy software using some of the low code platform available on the market. Please i really would like to have some feedbacks/opinion/suggestions about the "low code" development. For low code development i mean the one using BPM (Business process management) platforms. Thanks in advance
Just clear: Low code platforms are not ERP systems (SAP, PeopleSoft etc)! Those are around for a long time now and pretty established. We talk about AlphaSoft, Mendix, AppWay to name a few development platform providers. There is a push to use such platforms as well where I work. In all of the cases the push came from business and not from the IT department! In most cases business didn't really could articulate what they want but they already knew that there is this great tool on the web that can everything in no time. It is also not surprising that sales persons of such platforms contact business people directly, because they know where the money is. Our business departments have high hopes (faster development, less IT costs, reacting faster to market changes etc) in such platforms but are not yet aware to cut down on fancy functionality that are beyond of what those platforms currently are able to do sometimes (this will change!!). However, it is something to look at, and make the necessary decisions, soon or later whether you want to use spend time in looking into the options to use such a platform as part of your tool stack. Business don't want to wait and spend the money for a beautiful implemented C# algorithm, they want to generate revenue with an application that can be built and deployed fast, worldwide and on every mobile device.
