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  • Z Zafar Sultan

    We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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    Johnny J
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    Garbage collection could be interesting - and it has a plus side: You wouldn't need to be 100% retrained... :laugh:

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    • Z Zafar Sultan

      We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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      Gittum
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      First estimate how much Time do you need to prepare this Time Estimation! Or is it already estimated by Mr. PM :|

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      • Z Zafar Sultan

        We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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        Zafar Sultan wrote:

        What about selling burgers?

        The right job for your PM.

        In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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        • Z Zafar Sultan

          We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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          In the Summary they add up their input and write it to a database. Expect that after the buttons comes some selection. I would make a "fat estimation" and discuss. Selling burgers isnt an alternative. What about buying a farm "somewhere in the nowhere" :rolleyes:

          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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          • Z Zafar Sultan

            We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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            devenv exe
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            Its simple to figure out the estimate for this project, its the duration of the video recording!

            "Coming soon"

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            • Z Zafar Sultan

              We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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              Zafar Sultan wrote:

              What about selling burgers?

              Is that the function for the other buttons?

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              • Z Zafar Sultan

                We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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                chriselst
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                Zafar Sultan wrote:

                What about selling burgers?

                Can I have two please, one with cheese and bacon, and would there be any chance of dropping an egg on top?

                Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                • J Johnny J

                  Garbage collection could be interesting - and it has a plus side: You wouldn't need to be 100% retrained... :laugh:

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                  Me, all the time

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                  Zafar Sultan
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                  :thumbsup:

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                  • Z Zafar Sultan

                    We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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                    Reject it until you get a proper specification sheet :thumbsup:

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                    • G Gittum

                      First estimate how much Time do you need to prepare this Time Estimation! Or is it already estimated by Mr. PM :|

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                      Yup. He has already come up with the estimate to estimate. Befor EOD!

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                      • CPalliniC CPallini

                        Zafar Sultan wrote:

                        What about selling burgers?

                        The right job for your PM.

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                        :laugh: Good one.

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                        • K KarstenK

                          In the Summary they add up their input and write it to a database. Expect that after the buttons comes some selection. I would make a "fat estimation" and discuss. Selling burgers isnt an alternative. What about buying a farm "somewhere in the nowhere" :rolleyes:

                          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                          Zafar Sultan
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                          Yeah. "Fat Estimation" can be an option for what we see. What about estimating something that we have not even seen? BTW, do you know any place at "nowhere"?

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                            Zafar Sultan wrote:

                            What about selling burgers?

                            Can I have two please, one with cheese and bacon, and would there be any chance of dropping an egg on top?

                            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                            Zafar Sultan
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                            Sure sir. Let me estimate the time to prepare that one for you. :laugh:

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                            • D devenv exe

                              Its simple to figure out the estimate for this project, its the duration of the video recording!

                              "Coming soon"

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                              Zafar Sultan
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                              Okay. Let's start working on it :-\

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                              • H HobbyProggy

                                Reject it until you get a proper specification sheet :thumbsup:

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                                Zafar Sultan
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                                Me: I can't do that until I get a proper specification sheet. Mr. PM: Then prepare a proper specification sheet first! (That's my prediction. And it's quite accurate based on the past events ;P )

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Zafar Sultan wrote:

                                  What about selling burgers?

                                  Is that the function for the other buttons?

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                                  :thumbsdown: :laugh:

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Zafar Sultan wrote:

                                    What about selling burgers?

                                    Is that the function for the other buttons?

                                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                    Zafar Sultan
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                                    I hope not :laugh:

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                                    • Z Zafar Sultan

                                      We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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                                      You need to try to make him understand that this is not possible. Any estimation of design and development will be dependent on requirements. Another approach could be 2 days per control on screen (including labels and anything you see).

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                                      • Z Zafar Sultan

                                        We've got a video recording from our client. It's about their current application(windows application) usage. In this video the presenter navigated us to different screens showing how they do their stuff. For example generating bill and its summary. Our task is to create a new web application that will be replacing this old windows application. Now, Mr. PM wants us to suggest estimated time. Task 1: Go through the video and take screen shots. Task 2: Create an excel sheet and write estimated time for UI and Back-End for each screen. What's interesting is we don't have an iota of idea what happens in the background when the user clicks, say button 'Generate Summary'. We are totally unaware of the business logic. :wtf: Another interesting fact is that there are plenty of buttons on each screen and the client only used one or two in many cases. So, we know that 'Generate Summary' takes us to another screen but we don't know what the other buttons does? :doh: Here comes another bomb from Mr. PM: "Please include the estimates for those other buttons on the screen as well." :(( What about selling burgers?

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                                        ravikhoda
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                                        ask your client to provide the source code of windows application and you can check yourself what those button do when clicked.

                                        Ravi Khoda

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                                          You need to try to make him understand that this is not possible. Any estimation of design and development will be dependent on requirements. Another approach could be 2 days per control on screen (including labels and anything you see).

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                                          Zafar Sultan
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                                          I would like to go with the second approach. Two days for each label(different numbers for other controls) :laugh: :thumbsup:

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