"I refuse to work in C#"
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At the next meeting slip something in his drink. When he's knocked out cold take out his organs shave his beard. When the Lin-Uxorcism is complete enjoy your C# project :D Seriously though, don't you just hate it when people get all religious about their technology? The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple. That friggin iPhone doesn't even know lower case letters on its keyboard. NO LOWER CASE LETTERS! :wtf: It's waaaaay overpriced for a phone that doesn't know lower case letters... Anyway, don't give in to the Linux guy!
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You have to give it to Apple though, they know how to do simple[^]! ;P
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> my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc
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"I am not going to help you", that's the sort of can-do attitude that is the very foundation of every successful team
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> my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc
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As someone who started with the command line, (indeed, had to flip the switches on the front panel in the right order to boot the computer) I think I can say that the IDE is a massive improvement in ease of use, productivity, and general all round loveliness. Just having a debugger that works with your code is superb! Being able to edit your code while it's running is a genuine miracle. You know what I'm talking about: Intellisense, XML commenting, autocompletion, the whole package. Yes, there are times when Notepad and a compiler are all you need, but for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA! :laugh: I think he's an idiot. Presumably he knows one technology, and assumes it's the best for all environments. Script kiddie indeed...
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I have no respect for developers who claim they couldn't possibly develop without the latest IDE and related tools. Do more with less. I use Visual Studio only when I need to (WinForms and SSIS), but all my other C# I do old-school*. And I prefer to do primarily back-end, library, utility stuff. I can send him a copy of the simple IDE I wrote -- I use it for C#, C, and VB. I'm sure it can do other languages (basically all you need to do is tell it how to call the compiler). (Sorry, no article is forthcoming at this time.) * No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no intellisense, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.
The first software I ever bought was a simple debugger for about 15$. It allowed you to set breakpoints, single step after reaching them and examine the processor's registers (tightly packed on a 64 x 64 pixel screen). After that, I ditched entering machine code directly in favor of a small assembler, simply because having to retype everything after a change in the middle of the code was a pain. When I write code for my old computer today, I use a far more comfortble text editor and a acro assembler on the PC and test my code in an emulator. The old debugger still sees some action from time to time. That's all you need to get some work done. Fancy IDEs or tools may be of great assistance, but something is terribly wrong if you can't live without them.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.
That's like admitting you code in basic.
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At the next meeting slip something in his drink. When he's knocked out cold take out his organs shave his beard. When the Lin-Uxorcism is complete enjoy your C# project :D Seriously though, don't you just hate it when people get all religious about their technology? The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple. That friggin iPhone doesn't even know lower case letters on its keyboard. NO LOWER CASE LETTERS! :wtf: It's waaaaay overpriced for a phone that doesn't know lower case letters... Anyway, don't give in to the Linux guy!
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple.
+5 :thumbsup::thumbsup: ;)
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I am sooo glad I never had to use a line editor. While some of my classmates were using EDT (?) in line mode, the cool kids showed me how to use TECO in screen mode (this was on a PDP-11).
Holy shit! I completely forgot about that from my PDP-11/44 days back in school. It was far better than using the line printer terminals, but in those COBOL days, anything was better than sitting there writing it out on paper.
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> my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc
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The Linux guy is wrong. He doesn't have to install Visual Studio or an IDE. He can use his favorite text editor to author C# code and run
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"I am not going to help you", that's the sort of can-do attitude that is the very foundation of every successful team
Try Grapple for Android, it has a naked pixel guy in it! Also, loads of blood and some snakes.
:-D /ravi
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The first software I ever bought was a simple debugger for about 15$. It allowed you to set breakpoints, single step after reaching them and examine the processor's registers (tightly packed on a 64 x 64 pixel screen). After that, I ditched entering machine code directly in favor of a small assembler, simply because having to retype everything after a change in the middle of the code was a pain. When I write code for my old computer today, I use a far more comfortble text editor and a acro assembler on the PC and test my code in an emulator. The old debugger still sees some action from time to time. That's all you need to get some work done. Fancy IDEs or tools may be of great assistance, but something is terribly wrong if you can't live without them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
something is terribly wrong if you can't live without them.
My point exactly. :thumbsup: In my years doing C on OpenVMS, we used text editors and command-line compilers, and we liked it! But we (I) dreaded having to use the debugger, it was (is) practically unusable. Having the debugger in an IDE (Turbo Pascal for example) is a huge benefit when you need it. But most debugging tasks don't require a debugger at all. In many cases it's just one more crutch that some developers think they can't live without.
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As someone who started with the command line, (indeed, had to flip the switches on the front panel in the right order to boot the computer) I think I can say that the IDE is a massive improvement in ease of use, productivity, and general all round loveliness. Just having a debugger that works with your code is superb! Being able to edit your code while it's running is a genuine miracle. You know what I'm talking about: Intellisense, XML commenting, autocompletion, the whole package. Yes, there are times when Notepad and a compiler are all you need, but for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA! :laugh: I think he's an idiot. Presumably he knows one technology, and assumes it's the best for all environments. Script kiddie indeed...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA
Yes, that's when an IDE becomes helpful. But up until that point it's more of a hindrance. (In my opinion.)
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You have to give it to Apple though, they know how to do simple[^]! ;P
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Mandatory Dilbert[^] :)
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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Mandatory Dilbert[^] :)
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Excellent! :D
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I have no respect for developers who claim they couldn't possibly develop without the latest IDE and related tools. Do more with less. I use Visual Studio only when I need to (WinForms and SSIS), but all my other C# I do old-school*. And I prefer to do primarily back-end, library, utility stuff. I can send him a copy of the simple IDE I wrote -- I use it for C#, C, and VB. I'm sure it can do other languages (basically all you need to do is tell it how to call the compiler). (Sorry, no article is forthcoming at this time.) * No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no intellisense, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.
Kudos to you. I definitely feel that IDE's limits ones ability to use your brain and try to remember stuff. You start relying to much on 'ctrl space' phenomenon. When you find yourself in a situation where you can't use an IDE you're helpless. It is good for all developers to stay in front of technology. To say that the 'cannot possibly develop without' it.... well maybe a way of manipulating their bosses in to upgrading.
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Oh, now you've stepped in it... I have a MicroVAX 3100 (circa 1986) with 8MB RAM and two 1GB HDDs and VAX BASIC installed. :cool:
VAX BASIC V3.9-000
Ready
print 6*7
42
Ready10 for i = 1 to 10
20 print "Hello, world!"
30 next i
runnhHello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
ReadyThat's some serious storage you got there; I remember my first PC had a 40MB hard drive and that was plenty. I also remember coding in "Machine Code" on my speccy. And yes, I'm aware this is starting to turn into the Monty Python 4 Yorkshiremen sketch[^]. :)
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WTF??? You elitist snob. Just use the damn tools. It's like you're saying I know I can get this nail in with my screwdriver if I can hit it hard enough so I don't need a hammer. They're just tools to make your life easier. But you go ahead: bang your head against that old school wall.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.
Just ridiculous. :thumbsdown: I never want to go back to the command line to code. Ugh! X|
if you depend on a IDE, you have problems. if he is that extremist that chooses a solution over a IDE, he has one too. I almost never use IDE's basically because I have no time to lose learning all the tricks I already know on my text editor. I really hate them for the dependency they create on my colleagues that can't think out a bug without an IDE. the almost part its the technological part. if I'm codding java or c# I'll use one. if I'm codding php or javascript, I'm faster at my text editor and I'm used to deal with the bugs on a different way. this is personal to me. my mind got used to this way over the years and changing it now would cost a lot to me and my employee. maybe that guy who told you that has the same problem. his difference from me is the lack of willingness to try. because if my boss tells me use this or that language, I'll put the learning of the IDE on cost of learning the language (win win for me). so, the lack of willingness to try, thats a problem he has. your's is the ability to think that there is no coding without an IDE. you would probably fail at some exams I had when I wasn't even at college (coding tests, yes). :)
Err...say what?
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> my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc
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> my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc
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I have no respect for developers who claim they couldn't possibly develop without the latest IDE and related tools. Do more with less. I use Visual Studio only when I need to (WinForms and SSIS), but all my other C# I do old-school*. And I prefer to do primarily back-end, library, utility stuff. I can send him a copy of the simple IDE I wrote -- I use it for C#, C, and VB. I'm sure it can do other languages (basically all you need to do is tell it how to call the compiler). (Sorry, no article is forthcoming at this time.) * No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no intellisense, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.
You can have your panhead, I'm enjoying my BMWR1200R.
