Why do everyone uses antivirus ?
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There's this movie, I forgot which one, but these guys are trying to rob a bank or something. The crooks use your reasoning so their solution, make sure they're already inside when all doors and windows get locked. The next morning, when everything opens up, they simply walk out with the loot :)
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The equivalent thereof would be to have my installation medium infected; something rather uncommon. Yes, we've had an original Win95-CD that was infected once - but the chance of an infection is kinda "low"; at that point a scanner hardly helps, there is never a 100% guarantee :)
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If you need to scan to see whether something is infected, you are already behind the curve and at risk. Update your hostsfile, check the startup folder, turn on UAC and DEP..
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My AV is set to scan every morning at 2 am and it's set to automatically remove threats.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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The equivalent thereof would be to have my installation medium infected; something rather uncommon. Yes, we've had an original Win95-CD that was infected once - but the chance of an infection is kinda "low"; at that point a scanner hardly helps, there is never a 100% guarantee :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
there is never a 100% guarantee
This is the life we chose, the life we lead. And there is only one guarantee: none of us will see heaven their computer completely free of unwanted shit :laugh:
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
Two words - Minecraft Mods. My darling children do insist on downloading them and installing them - complete with all the viruses, browser hijackers, etc, that they come with. That's why their machines have AV software and Adware apps running.
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If you need to scan to see whether something is infected, you are already behind the curve and at risk. Update your hostsfile, check the startup folder, turn on UAC and DEP..
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Wrong, the AV and Firewall are there in addition to managing access into [and out of] the machine. With kids it is easier to have the AV nannying in the background then it is to keep cleaning the shyte off their machines.
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Not the same; You cannot guarantee no one is in the house if you don't know what windows are open, which doors are locked - but if you close all, then someone would have to tear down a wall to get in there. :)
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If you need to scan to see whether something is infected, you are already behind the curve and at risk. Update your hostsfile, check the startup folder, turn on UAC and DEP..
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
f you need to scan to see whether something is infected, you are already behind the curve and at risk.
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh: There isn't one guy on the planet who can plan today against every current and future threat out there. We pass this responsibility onto other teams (anti-virus software companies) so that we can get on with our day-to-day jobs.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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My AV is set to scan every morning at 2 am and it's set to automatically remove threats.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
f you need to scan to see whether something is infected, you are already behind the curve and at risk.
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh: There isn't one guy on the planet who can plan today against every current and future threat out there. We pass this responsibility onto other teams (anti-virus software companies) so that we can get on with our day-to-day jobs.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh:
I am rather paranoid about my computer; the victim is the one that believes to be protected when he is not protected enough.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
There isn't one guy on the planet who can plan today against every current and future threat out there.
I do not have to; I merely need to be able to control what is on my machine :)
Brent Jenkins wrote:
We pass this responsibility onto other teams
That is your choice. "We" don't - if you want something done good, you (learn to) do it yourself :)
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh:
I am rather paranoid about my computer; the victim is the one that believes to be protected when he is not protected enough.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
There isn't one guy on the planet who can plan today against every current and future threat out there.
I do not have to; I merely need to be able to control what is on my machine :)
Brent Jenkins wrote:
We pass this responsibility onto other teams
That is your choice. "We" don't - if you want something done good, you (learn to) do it yourself :)
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Even though you think that you have you machine covered, you don't. Companies like Kaspersky, McAfee, Symantec, and the like all have teams of hundreds (if not more) of guys working on dealing with security threats every hour of every day. No matter how good you may be, you simply can't match that. And even with all of their resources, they slip up pretty often too. Still, it's you machine, so your choice.. :)
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Even though you think that you have you machine covered, you don't. Companies like Kaspersky, McAfee, Symantec, and the like all have teams of hundreds (if not more) of guys working on dealing with security threats every hour of every day. No matter how good you may be, you simply can't match that. And even with all of their resources, they slip up pretty often too. Still, it's you machine, so your choice.. :)
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Even though you think that you have you machine covered, you don't.
Again, 100% coverage is not realistic. No AV claims that percentage.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Companies like Kaspersky, McAfee, Symantec, and the like all have teams of hundreds (if not more) of guys working on dealing with security threats every hour of every day.
No, not with security in general, but with detecting malicious code. If you have malicious code on your machine, then who is going to guarantee the integrity of the scanner itself?
Brent Jenkins wrote:
No matter how good you may be, you simply can't match that.
Learning to protect your machine is not the same as knowing every virus and making a living out of that. I'm preaching hygiene; not claiming to be better than the doctor - but with sufficient hygiene, you will visit your doctor somewhat less often.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
And even with all of their resources, they slip up pretty often too.
So, no, I am not going to trust some application to clean up after me. Sorry, I am not buying the idea that simply installing an AV-suite is actually safer than thinking about your machine, consequences and risks. On the contrary; someone who relies on others tends to be less careful in other areas. :)
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
Even though you think that you have you machine covered, you don't.
Again, 100% coverage is not realistic. No AV claims that percentage.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Companies like Kaspersky, McAfee, Symantec, and the like all have teams of hundreds (if not more) of guys working on dealing with security threats every hour of every day.
No, not with security in general, but with detecting malicious code. If you have malicious code on your machine, then who is going to guarantee the integrity of the scanner itself?
Brent Jenkins wrote:
No matter how good you may be, you simply can't match that.
Learning to protect your machine is not the same as knowing every virus and making a living out of that. I'm preaching hygiene; not claiming to be better than the doctor - but with sufficient hygiene, you will visit your doctor somewhat less often.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
And even with all of their resources, they slip up pretty often too.
So, no, I am not going to trust some application to clean up after me. Sorry, I am not buying the idea that simply installing an AV-suite is actually safer than thinking about your machine, consequences and risks. On the contrary; someone who relies on others tends to be less careful in other areas. :)
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I'll bet you don't wear a seatbelt when driving either? :laugh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
I'll bet you don't wear a seatbelt when driving either? :laugh:
Your comparison is still incorrect, and it seems that you are looking for arguments to defend your position :) ..but to answer, no, I don't have a car. I use the train. As for the house, I have not hired a private eye to sweep every room and closet - I only made sure that it is very hard to enter without explicit permission.
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Muharrem B. wrote:
Do you use it?
No, haven't used a scanner in 10 years. Haven't had a virus either.
Muharrem B. wrote:
Does it work?
If you are the type that runs code without knowing what it does, open executables, then yes, it works "most of the time". For companies it is different; they'll need to have one. Especially large companies would come under fire if they lost all their data over an old and outdated virus. And in large companies there is always a manager that opens the executable. Always.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And in large ALL companies there is always a manager that opens the executable.
FTFY :thumbsup:
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
tell us the truth... in your computer you have a sticker that reads "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" :rolleyes:
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
I'll bet you don't wear a seatbelt when driving either? :laugh:
Your comparison is still incorrect, and it seems that you are looking for arguments to defend your position :) ..but to answer, no, I don't have a car. I use the train. As for the house, I have not hired a private eye to sweep every room and closet - I only made sure that it is very hard to enter without explicit permission.
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That's fine, you're happy with your security arrangements and it doesn't effect me, so who cares? :laugh: As for me, I'll drive carefully as much as I can, but I'll make sure my car has airbags, side impact bars and I'll always wear my seatbelt. Of course I'll never need any of them, because I'm such a great driver..
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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tell us the truth... in your computer you have a sticker that reads "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" :rolleyes:
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Joan Murt wrote:
in your computer you have a sticker that reads
:"THIS IS SPARTA!!!!Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, that here obedient to their laws we lie."FTFY
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That's fine, you're happy with your security arrangements and it doesn't effect me, so who cares? :laugh: As for me, I'll drive carefully as much as I can, but I'll make sure my car has airbags, side impact bars and I'll always wear my seatbelt. Of course I'll never need any of them, because I'm such a great driver..
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Of course I'll never need any of them, because I'm such a great driver..
Like I already stated, your analogy is broken, and no, I did not claim to be a good driver.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
so who cares
The one who is infected, with 40 PC's giving the same virus-warning after the AV automatically updates the virusdefinitions :) ..and with the majority sharing their attack-vector, it could be easily prevented.
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