What's with these programming "rockstar" job postings?
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It's reasonably new: a "new generation" of recruiters are sliming their way into the "business" and want some way to feel "dynamic", "thrusting", "sexy", and "cutting edge". What they mean is "We want a brilliant coder who works really, really cheap. And I've got the latest generation iPhone so I'm hip. What does 'javascript' mean? And how do you turn this phone on?"
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OriginalGriff wrote:
What they mean is "We want a brilliant coder who works really, really cheap. And I've got the latest generation iPhone so I'm hip. What does 'javascript' mean? And how do you turn this phone on?"
:thumbsup: +5
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They are clueless, and they hope that someone will bring them a stairway to heaven.
Life is too shor
With a request like that I could very well send them to the highway to Hell instead.
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Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
It's an interesting idea that in my experience(I have sat in on interviews where these sorts of terms have been used from those higher up) originates from those with little direct or current experience in the technical side of IT. The sort of nightmare conjured up by marketing and HR departments when they are allowed to metaphorically cross-breed. As a developer and line manager I want the people I work with to be careful, considerate and thoughtful in their work - after all what is at risk is the future of the business given how the business runs on its software and IT development work. So the last thing I want is some drug taking, irresponsible, self-interested loose cannon screwing up things for the business. The whole idea makes me want to run in the opposite direction - as an analogue I don't think many of us would want a 'rock star' developer working on pimping the ABS software in our cars.
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Haven't read any other comments, but what they mean by "rockstar" is willing to work 25 hours a day, 8 days a week for no actual wages but promises of things to come at some later date*. You should know the full stack of every technology out there and at least half of them not yet in existence. Plus you should spend another 6 hours a day of your own time keeping current on any changes in technology. That isn't counting the time you should spend updating each and every single project to keep ahead of the bleeding edge. And you need to keep your mouth shut while they take the credit for your efforts. *Actual date to be determined two months, one week, three days, sixteen hours, forty-two minutes, and nine seconds (precisely) after you have burnt out and quit.
RJOberg wrote:
to keep ahead of the bleeding edge.
As any HR asking for a rockstar programmer really should do.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
How about burying it in lime then?
..and gin? :-\
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Nope. Nagy got there first.
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Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
rockstar == douchebag
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Load of COBOLlocks, if you ask me!
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Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
They also want "rockstar" talent while paying in stale circus peanuts. I charge twice the amount of what I've seen in these "rockstar" ads. I swear I'm going to walk into the next interview and say "You want me to smash your equipment, go wreck a hotel room and drag a few lines of coke? I charge extra for that service."
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Chance would be a fine thing... :sigh:
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It's kind of sad though. Genuinely good companies with excellent jobs are ruined by plastering such nonsense phrases. Makes me facepalm at 100mph.
divyamistry wrote:
ruined by plastering such nonsense phrases
Ability to develop radar scanning HTML for embedded [ ] Experience with OOPs programming [ ] Ability to develop Java with a web browser [ ] Works on assigned tasks as needed [ ] Understands Architectural methodologies such as JavaScript What!?! -
Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
There is this recruiter I've dealt with, who in EVERY post she does, puts: "You must have some serious technical chops for this position". WTF is "serious technical chops" :confused::confused:
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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divyamistry wrote:
ruined by plastering such nonsense phrases
Ability to develop radar scanning HTML for embedded [ ] Experience with OOPs programming [ ] Ability to develop Java with a web browser [ ] Works on assigned tasks as needed [ ] Understands Architectural methodologies such as JavaScript What!?!You forgot to usage of "Agile Methodologies" to the Buzzword Bingo card...
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There is this recruiter I've dealt with, who in EVERY post she does, puts: "You must have some serious technical chops for this position". WTF is "serious technical chops" :confused::confused:
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
I used to be a rockstar (within a very limited definition of rockstar - the other guys in the band thought I was pretty good on the drums) and now I am doing programming... but I still wouldn't apply for these positions!
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Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
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megaadam wrote:
Who asks such a BASIC thing?
Only those with less FORTRANate minds.
Jeremy Falcon
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Is it just me or have others also started noticing unnerving amounts of "programming rockstar required" job posts? First of all, WHAT? Second of that, let's assume that there is such a thing as a "programming rockstar". And if there were that many programming rockstars around to fill these jobs, then they'd not be rockstars! They'd be just another set of developers. Oh and then the job posts say the candidate can be fresh college graduate or with "2-3 years of experience". Again, WHAT? What kind of rockstar is this? It's getting to a point where I am going to have to write a browser add-on that puts a big fat red STOP sign on a job post that mentions requirement of "rockstar". -oo
One way to demo 'rockstar' status is to post one's code via an article here - an article which can potentially earn many nice comments and 5s. And then tell potential employers - "Hey - these people consider my work as 'rockstar output'. I am indeed a rockstar". Of course, easier said than done.
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divyamistry wrote:
ruined by plastering such nonsense phrases
Ability to develop radar scanning HTML for embedded [ ] Experience with OOPs programming [ ] Ability to develop Java with a web browser [ ] Works on assigned tasks as needed [ ] Understands Architectural methodologies such as JavaScript What!?!newton.saber wrote:
Experience with OOPs programmingI say "OOPS" while programming all of the time! :)
"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." - G.K. Chesterton
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One way to demo 'rockstar' status is to post one's code via an article here - an article which can potentially earn many nice comments and 5s. And then tell potential employers - "Hey - these people consider my work as 'rockstar output'. I am indeed a rockstar". Of course, easier said than done.
I think job posts with "show us your code" or "articles you've written for others" are quite all right in my book. It's a good habit to develop for any developer, and something I struggle with.
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Wash your keyboard out with SOAP!
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Now that was funny. :thumbsup:
