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    Munchies_Matt
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    Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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      Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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      Probably because any decent investigative journalist would've kept digging and exposed it as being far too designed to be a simple glitch which would've been even worse because then everyone would've known that they were still attempting to hide it.

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        Probably because any decent investigative journalist would've kept digging and exposed it as being far too designed to be a simple glitch which would've been even worse because then everyone would've known that they were still attempting to hide it.

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        Are you a fewl? Do you not understand? This has nothing to do with emissions, the figures were rigged by Climate NazisTM to discredit the entire auto industry and force us back to using horses and carts!

        veni bibi saltavi

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          Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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          Tim Carmichael
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          The cars passed emission tests when tested on dynamos, but not when equipment was placed in the trunk. The testing facility has been conducting these tests for over 20 years. VW got caught defrauding the public; at least they were willing to admit it rather than continue the charade. And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here.

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            The cars passed emission tests when tested on dynamos, but not when equipment was placed in the trunk. The testing facility has been conducting these tests for over 20 years. VW got caught defrauding the public; at least they were willing to admit it rather than continue the charade. And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here.

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            No, no - being a lying obnoxious douchebag is certainly a better option, just look what it did for Nixon!

            veni bibi saltavi

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              The cars passed emission tests when tested on dynamos, but not when equipment was placed in the trunk. The testing facility has been conducting these tests for over 20 years. VW got caught defrauding the public; at least they were willing to admit it rather than continue the charade. And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here.

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              Lost User
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              They did pass the tests, but with a different configuration than normal. You can have low emmissions or you can have low fuel consumption. Choose one.

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                No, no - being a lying obnoxious douchebag is certainly a better option, just look what it did for Nixon!

                veni bibi saltavi

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                Kenneth Haugland
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                He did get to be president... so?

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                  Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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                  den2k88
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                  I thought the very same, down to the last word. :thumbsup:

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                  • K Kenneth Haugland

                    He did get to be president... so?

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                    Nagy Vilmos
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                    ... and the only one forced out of office.

                    veni bibi saltavi

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                      ... and the only one forced out of office.

                      veni bibi saltavi

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                      Kenneth Haugland
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                      The funny thing is that he resigned, while people below him, that was following his orders, went to jail. Volkswagen's manager is resigning, and I hear they will name the people that is responsible for manipulating the tests. Wonder if the one that gave the orders will walk free?

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                        Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        Why the hell did they confess to cheating?

                        They were caught by independent testers so I guess they thought the game was up. They were first caught out a few years back and did indeed blame it on a glitch, but the testers didn't give up and passed their finding onto the authorities and the pressure stayed. They will have simply looked at the source and found the offending code. If they continued to deny it they'd only make things worse for themselves in the long run. Also I think the CEO's contract was coming to an end anyway? He probably thought he'd fess up then resign. Which he has done. I'm sure he'll find another equally well paying job at an equal position in some other company though. He probably starts on Monday. Also I think the same issue effects European cars too.

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                          Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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                          jgakenhe
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                          Confessing is not a good solution. Your solution about a software glitch is what they should had done. GM confessed and it cost them cash and reputation. Toyoda never admitted anything and even though they lost a ton of cash, their reputation is still intact. Edge -> Toyoda.

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                            ... and the only one forced out of office.

                            veni bibi saltavi

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                            Duncan Edwards Jones
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                            Lincoln was also forced out of office (albeit not by legal means)

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                              The funny thing is that he resigned, while people below him, that was following his orders, went to jail. Volkswagen's manager is resigning, and I hear they will name the people that is responsible for manipulating the tests. Wonder if the one that gave the orders will walk free?

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                              Frank Alviani
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                              I understand he will have to suffer with a pension of *only* $32 million. :(

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                                Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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                                Duncan Edwards Jones
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                                The same reason politicians "come clean" about their peccadillos - they had already been caught and a newspaper was threatening to expose them. As soon as they were phoned up with "we are going to run this story - do you have any comments?" they decided to become all honest. (There's a smokescreen metaphor somewhere but I can't make it work myself)

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                                  Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.

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                                  Kschuler
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                                  They tried that in April. VW Recall Letters in April[^]

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                                    I understand he will have to suffer with a pension of *only* $32 million. :(

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                                    Kenneth Haugland
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                                    Oh, it's understandable, after all, do you know how much gasoline he will have to use in his car? He'll be ruined :laugh:

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                                      Probably because any decent investigative journalist would've kept digging and exposed it as being far too designed to be a simple glitch which would've been even worse because then everyone would've known that they were still attempting to hide it.

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                                      Munchies_Matt
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                                      JHizzle wrote:

                                      kept digging and exposed it as being far too designed to be a simple glitch

                                      You are talking about 'diging' through, at best, assembly, running 4 d maps of data, on an ECU. You cant 'dig' through that and prove anything.

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                                        They did pass the tests, but with a different configuration than normal. You can have low emmissions or you can have low fuel consumption. Choose one.

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                                        This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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                                        Munchies_Matt
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                                        Yes, I know that. The point is why confess? They could have passed it off as a mistake, 'some test code got in by error, honest guv' kind of thing, Would have been a lot cheaper!

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                                          The cars passed emission tests when tested on dynamos, but not when equipment was placed in the trunk. The testing facility has been conducting these tests for over 20 years. VW got caught defrauding the public; at least they were willing to admit it rather than continue the charade. And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here.

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                                          Munchies_Matt
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                                          Tim Carmichael wrote:

                                          And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here

                                          Hey, its the US, lying to make money is the norm isn't it? Like I said, they could have passed it off as a mistake and saved a lot of expense.

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