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  • Z ZurdoDev

    Dan Neely wrote:

    all that was available locally were QC rejects that weren't sellable anywhere else.

    :laugh: That's what I found when I lived in Mexico. The worst looking tomato in the supermarket of America is better than the best looking tomato in Mexico's stores. They said it was because they sent all their good stuff to America. That's one reason they don't like America much. :sigh:

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    Lost User
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    RyanDev wrote:

    That's one reason they don't like America much.

    Then stop doing it. It's not rocket science.

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      RyanDev wrote:

      That's one reason they don't like America much.

      Then stop doing it. It's not rocket science.

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      ZurdoDev
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      harold aptroot wrote:

      Then stop doing it. It's not rocket science.

      Stop buying the best produce available? OK. I'll stop.

      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      • T Tim Carmichael

        OriginalGriff wrote:

        That is a much smaller number than you might think!

        Agreed... I am NOT a meat and potatoes fan; meat, yes, potatoes.. rather have rice.

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        Slacker007
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        I love rice, but alas, I am diabetic and if I have to have starch then the 'tatoes are better than rice for sugar spikes.

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          Get thee behind me, Satan!

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          Tim Carmichael
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          I can, and will, eat raw potatoes, but the texture once they're cooked... if I try to eat them, anything that preceeded them is coming back to meet them. So, I just largely avoid potatoes.

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            harold aptroot wrote:

            Then stop doing it. It's not rocket science.

            Stop buying the best produce available? OK. I'll stop.

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            Lost User
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            Thanks.

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              I worked for a small software company for over 12 years, developing Windows-based estate planning software using C++/MFC, and a bigger company bought us out in 1998. When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas because I've been to Idaho, and I wasn't impressed. Out of curiosity, I googled to see if the software was still being sold. It is, but it still looks like it did back in the mid-90's. The forms have been updated to reflect new features, the company is still using screen shots that were made back when Windows XP was still popular, and they still talk about faxing stuff to your clients (I don't know anyone that even has fax capabilities in their home). The price of the software has also almost tripled since this company bought the company I worked for. Every year, they have to update the code to reflect tax law changes (both federal and state-by-state), and it looks like that's all they've been doing for the last 15 years. There was at one point almost a million lines of code in this app. I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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              Joe Woodbury
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              At least it's around. Most of the companies I've worked for have ceased to exist. A few still exist, but have either dropped the products I worked on or rewrote those products (in one case to disastrous results.) (The embedded stuff I worked on and am working on now has much more sticking power.)

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                I love rice, but alas, I am diabetic and if I have to have starch then the 'tatoes are better than rice for sugar spikes.

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                Slacker007 wrote:

                I love rice, but alas, I am diabetic and if I have to have starch then the 'tatoes are better than rice for sugar spikes.

                Is Basmati rice any better for you? Lower GI, but not sure if good enough.

                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                  Slacker007 wrote:

                  I love rice, but alas, I am diabetic and if I have to have starch then the 'tatoes are better than rice for sugar spikes.

                  Is Basmati rice any better for you? Lower GI, but not sure if good enough.

                  Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                  Slacker007
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                  Michael Martin wrote:

                  Is Basmati rice any better for you?

                  Not sure, I would have to check. I do love good Basmati rice - one of my favorites. Of course, not all rice is created equal. The brown and long-grain wild rices are a bit lower in carbs than the white rices, but not by much on average. I still have rice, just not as much as I would like. :sigh: Edit: I think I can have a little more than I thought, basmati rice, that is: http://www.livestrong.com/article/360955-basmati-rice-as-a-diabetic-food/[^]

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    I worked for a small software company for over 12 years, developing Windows-based estate planning software using C++/MFC, and a bigger company bought us out in 1998. When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas because I've been to Idaho, and I wasn't impressed. Out of curiosity, I googled to see if the software was still being sold. It is, but it still looks like it did back in the mid-90's. The forms have been updated to reflect new features, the company is still using screen shots that were made back when Windows XP was still popular, and they still talk about faxing stuff to your clients (I don't know anyone that even has fax capabilities in their home). The price of the software has also almost tripled since this company bought the company I worked for. Every year, they have to update the code to reflect tax law changes (both federal and state-by-state), and it looks like that's all they've been doing for the last 15 years. There was at one point almost a million lines of code in this app. I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                    Roger Wright
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                    I'm not surprised at all, but I'm really disappointed in them. I've worked for companies who were locked in to such products and couldn't afford to start over. Failing to keep critical software up to date shortchanges both the developer and the users. Since you're intimately familiar with the product, why not update it yourself and approach your former customers with an offer they can't afford to ignore? There are worse ways to fund your retirement... ;)

                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      I worked for a small software company for over 12 years, developing Windows-based estate planning software using C++/MFC, and a bigger company bought us out in 1998. When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas because I've been to Idaho, and I wasn't impressed. Out of curiosity, I googled to see if the software was still being sold. It is, but it still looks like it did back in the mid-90's. The forms have been updated to reflect new features, the company is still using screen shots that were made back when Windows XP was still popular, and they still talk about faxing stuff to your clients (I don't know anyone that even has fax capabilities in their home). The price of the software has also almost tripled since this company bought the company I worked for. Every year, they have to update the code to reflect tax law changes (both federal and state-by-state), and it looks like that's all they've been doing for the last 15 years. There was at one point almost a million lines of code in this app. I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                      JimmyRopes
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                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                      When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas

                      Get over it :rolleyes:

                      Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        I was sitting here wondering how it could be improved with WPF/C#, and started looking to see what it's current status was. If they did it right, it only takes them a month or so to update it for the new tax laws, so I'm willing to bet that they don't have more than one or two permanent programmers working on it. When I was there, we had three guys. Whey they bought it, they had 4 guys in Idaho, and kept the three we already had (counting me). I guess when their four guys were comfortable with the code, the decided to cut the original developers loose (I was the only one given the option to move to Idaho, because I had the most tribal knowledge). :|

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        JimmyRopes
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                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        I was the only one given the option to move to Idaho

                        Was that supposed to be a benefit? :sigh:

                        Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          I was sitting here wondering how it could be improved with WPF/C#, and started looking to see what it's current status was. If they did it right, it only takes them a month or so to update it for the new tax laws, so I'm willing to bet that they don't have more than one or two permanent programmers working on it. When I was there, we had three guys. Whey they bought it, they had 4 guys in Idaho, and kept the three we already had (counting me). I guess when their four guys were comfortable with the code, the decided to cut the original developers loose (I was the only one given the option to move to Idaho, because I had the most tribal knowledge). :|

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          Roger Wright
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                          Idaho isn't bad, John, despite the inbreeding. Some good software has come out of that state, I assume because there's damned little to do in their 9 month winter but stay indoors and code. Once upon a time I bought an accounting program developed in Idaho by Cougar Mountain Software, called ACT. It was a full implementation of all that I ever learned about Accounting, including T-ledgers and audit trails and infinite reporting on any silly thing that might pique an auditor's twisted interest; it could manage up to 9,999 companies, and cost $99.00. It wasn't user friendly, and it didn't have a cute GUI to help guide the stupid to knowledge, but it worked flawlessly and was wonderfully affordable. Go build it, John, and they will come. Heck, if you include a decent inventory management module, I'll buy it. OT- Where are you in Texas, approximately speaking? I'm planning a trip down Waco way next April, to meet with a bunch of other firearms enthusiasts, but it would be a pleasure to include a visit with you while I'm in the neighborhood, if we can arrange it.

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                          • realJSOPR realJSOP

                            I worked for a small software company for over 12 years, developing Windows-based estate planning software using C++/MFC, and a bigger company bought us out in 1998. When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas because I've been to Idaho, and I wasn't impressed. Out of curiosity, I googled to see if the software was still being sold. It is, but it still looks like it did back in the mid-90's. The forms have been updated to reflect new features, the company is still using screen shots that were made back when Windows XP was still popular, and they still talk about faxing stuff to your clients (I don't know anyone that even has fax capabilities in their home). The price of the software has also almost tripled since this company bought the company I worked for. Every year, they have to update the code to reflect tax law changes (both federal and state-by-state), and it looks like that's all they've been doing for the last 15 years. There was at one point almost a million lines of code in this app. I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                            Johnny J
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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                            I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

                            They're waiting for you to come back??? :doh:

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

                              Dan Neely wrote:

                              all that was available locally were QC rejects that weren't sellable anywhere else.

                              :laugh: That's what I found when I lived in Mexico. The worst looking tomato in the supermarket of America is better than the best looking tomato in Mexico's stores. They said it was because they sent all their good stuff to America. That's one reason they don't like America much. :sigh:

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              Nagy Vilmos
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                              Funny, in Hungary it's the other way around. If you go to the local markets, the local produce is always way better then anything you'll get in the supermarkets.

                              veni bibi saltavi

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                              • Z ZurdoDev

                                harold aptroot wrote:

                                Then stop doing it. It's not rocket science.

                                Stop buying the best produce available? OK. I'll stop.

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                Having moved to the USA a couple of years ago I would challenge that the supermarkets get the "best" produce. What the American public are provided with are the largest and most regular shaped products. These are very rarely the "best". I am sick and tired of apples and peaches the size of footballs and almost as spherical but which have no flavor and hideous mealy texture. I actively hunt out locally grown produce at farmers markets and will buy an ugly fruit or vegetable any/every day over the dreadful waste products source by the US food industry.

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                                  Having moved to the USA a couple of years ago I would challenge that the supermarkets get the "best" produce. What the American public are provided with are the largest and most regular shaped products. These are very rarely the "best". I am sick and tired of apples and peaches the size of footballs and almost as spherical but which have no flavor and hideous mealy texture. I actively hunt out locally grown produce at farmers markets and will buy an ugly fruit or vegetable any/every day over the dreadful waste products source by the US food industry.

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                                  "If a man speaks in a forest where there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  Andrew Wiles wrote:

                                  These are very rarely the "best".

                                  True.

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                    I worked for a small software company for over 12 years, developing Windows-based estate planning software using C++/MFC, and a bigger company bought us out in 1998. When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas because I've been to Idaho, and I wasn't impressed. Out of curiosity, I googled to see if the software was still being sold. It is, but it still looks like it did back in the mid-90's. The forms have been updated to reflect new features, the company is still using screen shots that were made back when Windows XP was still popular, and they still talk about faxing stuff to your clients (I don't know anyone that even has fax capabilities in their home). The price of the software has also almost tripled since this company bought the company I worked for. Every year, they have to update the code to reflect tax law changes (both federal and state-by-state), and it looks like that's all they've been doing for the last 15 years. There was at one point almost a million lines of code in this app. I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    darktrick544
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                                    Been there, and it is disappointing to see all your hard work stalled but marketed like that. We work on these projects and code to the best of our abilities, but you can't expect non-coders to begin to understand what it takes to do this stuff. They just look at selling it and making money. In the end you take what learned from the project and build on that in subsequent projects. It's all a learning experience...

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                                      Idaho isn't bad, John, despite the inbreeding. Some good software has come out of that state, I assume because there's damned little to do in their 9 month winter but stay indoors and code. Once upon a time I bought an accounting program developed in Idaho by Cougar Mountain Software, called ACT. It was a full implementation of all that I ever learned about Accounting, including T-ledgers and audit trails and infinite reporting on any silly thing that might pique an auditor's twisted interest; it could manage up to 9,999 companies, and cost $99.00. It wasn't user friendly, and it didn't have a cute GUI to help guide the stupid to knowledge, but it worked flawlessly and was wonderfully affordable. Go build it, John, and they will come. Heck, if you include a decent inventory management module, I'll buy it. OT- Where are you in Texas, approximately speaking? I'm planning a trip down Waco way next April, to meet with a bunch of other firearms enthusiasts, but it would be a pleasure to include a visit with you while I'm in the neighborhood, if we can arrange it.

                                      Will Rogers never met me.

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                                      realJSOP
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                                      I'm in San Antonio, so it's about 3 hours north of me.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                        Having moved to the USA a couple of years ago I would challenge that the supermarkets get the "best" produce. What the American public are provided with are the largest and most regular shaped products. These are very rarely the "best". I am sick and tired of apples and peaches the size of footballs and almost as spherical but which have no flavor and hideous mealy texture. I actively hunt out locally grown produce at farmers markets and will buy an ugly fruit or vegetable any/every day over the dreadful waste products source by the US food industry.

                                        www.it-workplace.com
                                        "If a man speaks in a forest where there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"

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                                        englebart
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                                        In USA, "soccer balls" are spherical. "footballs" are like pointy rugby balls. :-D I am with you on the taste/texture factor. Our few home grown fruits are too puny for the supermarkets, but they taste great!

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                                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                          I worked for a small software company for over 12 years, developing Windows-based estate planning software using C++/MFC, and a bigger company bought us out in 1998. When they decided to move development of the software from San Diego to Idaho (in 2000), I quit, and moved to Texas because I've been to Idaho, and I wasn't impressed. Out of curiosity, I googled to see if the software was still being sold. It is, but it still looks like it did back in the mid-90's. The forms have been updated to reflect new features, the company is still using screen shots that were made back when Windows XP was still popular, and they still talk about faxing stuff to your clients (I don't know anyone that even has fax capabilities in their home). The price of the software has also almost tripled since this company bought the company I worked for. Every year, they have to update the code to reflect tax law changes (both federal and state-by-state), and it looks like that's all they've been doing for the last 15 years. There was at one point almost a million lines of code in this app. I'm kinda surprised the software is still being sold, but I'm disappointed they haven't kept up with more modern platforms.

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                          ClockMeister
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                                          If it ain't broke, why fix it?

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