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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    And a fire pole to go the other way? :-D

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    Gary Wheeler
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    Sadly, no fire pole. The closest thing to that is the gate in railing of the catwalk over the manufacturing area. It's used to lift equipment from the second floor of the engineering wing down to the first floor of manufacturing. You could jump, but the landing would be a bit harsh.

    Software Zen: delete this;

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      What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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      1. Closed space 2. Brains for the management

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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        Gary Wheeler wrote:

        Unfortunately I'm not kidding

        I know and can sympathize. We were developing a mostly embedded system with 'some' portions being relagated to being apps on a PC. The phrase "jeez, can't we just make that a PC app?", became too frequent, very quickly we ended up with man years of development time, which was a complete surprise to all, except us. Our usual response of "you know, this will take a good bit of development time to complete" fell largely on deaf ears.

        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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        The secret story behind our current product's code name "Delta" goes something like this: The hardware's code name was that of a certain large, well-known river in North America. Our software provides overall control of the hardware. Given the priorities and the relative importance of the hardware over the software, we're the last ones to know anything new, and the last ones to finish. Hence, the code name "Delta" for our software. It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

        Software Zen: delete this;

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          1. Closed space 2. Brains for the management

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

          2. Brains for the management

          C'mon now, he asked for something reasonable!

          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

            2. Brains for the management

            C'mon now, he asked for something reasonable!

            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            He also asked for one! So I added a second...Everyone have dreams that can't come true...

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

            "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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              The secret story behind our current product's code name "Delta" goes something like this: The hardware's code name was that of a certain large, well-known river in North America. Our software provides overall control of the hardware. Given the priorities and the relative importance of the hardware over the software, we're the last ones to know anything new, and the last ones to finish. Hence, the code name "Delta" for our software. It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              Gary Wheeler wrote:

              It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

              :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup: well sh!t does indeed flow downhill. At the end of a large North American river, out from the delta is a large dead zone, hmmm. Perhaps project Dead Zone is in your future. :)

              "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                1. Closed space 2. Brains for the management

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                Sander Rossel
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                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                2. Brains for the management

                But then they wouldn't be management... ;)

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                  A place of work would be a good start. :sigh:

                  veni bibi saltavi

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                  C'mon Nagy, resignation is not expected from bright minds.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                    2. Brains for the management

                    But then they wouldn't be management... ;)

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                    And that would improve the place like nothing else...

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                    "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                    • C chriselst

                      What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                      I think I've got it pretty good... Laptop, car, study budget, phone, any study book I need for free, free coffee, tea, water, soda, juices, a pretty good €1 lunch on Wednesday and snacks on Friday (I usually don't join either lunch though, I prefer to bring my own lunch), free fruit, free snacks, two big-ass monitors (since today), five minute drive from home (we moved last week, it was a 15 minute drive) and a decent salary. I can work from home whenever I want, but I don't because I can get along with my coworkers pretty well. So is there really NOTHING that could make it better? Yeah, stop sending ALL mail to my entire team. I get about 50 mails a day (on average) that I have nothing to do with, but that are directed to someone in my team X| I complained about it, but my team lead (very nice guy by the way) told me it was nice to get all those mails to keep up to date with other projects... I already created a rule to move all those mails to another folder to keep my inbox clean, if 1/50 mails is directed at me there's a good change I'll miss it X|

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • C chriselst

                        What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                        Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                        Money for nothing and chicks for free. I see in other answers the downfall of the open space trend. I am glad my company was old fashioned when open spaces were considered 'cool'.

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                          Money for nothing and chicks for free. I see in other answers the downfall of the open space trend. I am glad my company was old fashioned when open spaces were considered 'cool'.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          CPallini wrote:

                          downfall of the open space trend

                          My employer is still in the process of converting offices from tall cubes to short (and smaller) cubes. X| My building hasn't been converted yet, but probably within a few years. :sigh: I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home so they can then reduce square footage. I also think it was a "long term" decision that was made years ago, and now they don't want to change course regardless of any reviews of success or failure so far.

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                            What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                            chriselst wrote:

                            What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better?

                            Friday Beer !!! Reasonable ??? :-D

                            Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.

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                              Realistic: Move my desk from its current location (middle of a 60-cube farm) to a lab, along with the rest of my group. It would be nice to have peace and quiet. Purchasing is next to our current location in the middle 40 acres, and they're always on the phone. Idealistic: Having software engineering concerns and priorities given the same credence as mechanical, electrical, and chemical engineering. When you work for a hardware company, software is always free, quick, and easy. "Can't you just add a popup?" is everyone's favorite solution to every problem :mad:. It comes down to a simple matter of respect, which we don't get.

                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              den2k88
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                              Like you but no cubes. Also the tech support often has to speak out VERY loud because the technicina on the other side is in a production environment with 100-130 dB of noise. Doing serious assembler stuff while two techs are shouting on the phone and three administratives are loudly speaking about soccer or how much of a moron is means headache, violence and general dissatisfaction.

                              GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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                                CPallini wrote:

                                downfall of the open space trend

                                My employer is still in the process of converting offices from tall cubes to short (and smaller) cubes. X| My building hasn't been converted yet, but probably within a few years. :sigh: I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home so they can then reduce square footage. I also think it was a "long term" decision that was made years ago, and now they don't want to change course regardless of any reviews of success or failure so far.

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                                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home

                                I wish we could, I'd save 110 km each day of commuting. Our open space is designed so that the overseer can watch each monitor at a moment's notice and any people enterning the office can see every monitor. Guess if they would be prone to let us work from where nobody can keep us under surveillance... Extracts from the work regulations include: prohibition of talking from desk to desk, prohibition of getting up and walking to colleauges, prohibition of speaking to colleagues over the internal phone line. E-mails between coworkers are prohibited, for every communication should include the overseer. I think they missed the big writing "ARBEIT MACHT FREI"... Luckily my boss doesn't give a flock about all of this but the other departments of the company are terrible.

                                GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  CPallini wrote:

                                  downfall of the open space trend

                                  My employer is still in the process of converting offices from tall cubes to short (and smaller) cubes. X| My building hasn't been converted yet, but probably within a few years. :sigh: I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home so they can then reduce square footage. I also think it was a "long term" decision that was made years ago, and now they don't want to change course regardless of any reviews of success or failure so far.

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                                  I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home

                                  Like den2k88 that would be good news for me.

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                                  I also think it was a "long term" decision

                                  I know, such long term decisions are really bad.

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                                  they don't want to change course regardless of any reviews of success or failure so far

                                  And that's even worse, my sympathy.

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                                    C'mon Nagy, resignation is not expected from bright minds.

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                                    Nagy Vilmos
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                                    I have a face-to-face coming up, you never know.

                                    veni bibi saltavi

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                                    • C chriselst

                                      Walls was what I was thinking too. Although not because of Soccer. Currently trying not to listen to a conversation two pods of desks over about potatoes.

                                      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                      Graham Lemon UK
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                                      Likewise. Open plan office and the guy directly behind me spends most of his day in "motor-mouth" mode, either telling anyone who will listen how to do their job and why his way is better, or on the phone doing the same, plus he has the annoying habit of laughing at his own (so-called) jokes. Thank God our boss allows us to have headphones :-D

                                      Sometimes, it just is, OK!

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                                        What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                                        Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                        Windows <-- as in holes in the wall... :) Our s/w group works in the center of a rather large building. We might as well BE the tornado shelter, but in the event of bad weather they make us move to a less secure hallway. Shoot, I'd settle for a large hi-def screen on the wall connected to an outside camera. Of course, I'd lose the air flow. Sent from my home office with two windows (one open) and the golden retriever trying to commit suicide by snuggling up behind my office chair....

                                        Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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                                        • C chriselst

                                          What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                                          Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                          Ygnaiih
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                                          A development group run by developers. There should be no BAs, meetings should never have more than 4 people (three is better and two ideal), and forget Agile which might have worked if it had been done by the original rules.

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