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  • G Gary Wheeler

    Unfortunately I'm not kidding. I've got a well-rehearsed temper tantrum I throw whenever some hardware moron suggests I do that to solve their problem, at least once a month. We build commercial ink-jet printers. We can move paper at up to 17 feet per second. I throw up a message box, by the time the operator notices it, we've printed a mile or two of unusable crap.

    Software Zen: delete this;

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    jeron1
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    Gary Wheeler wrote:

    Unfortunately I'm not kidding

    I know and can sympathize. We were developing a mostly embedded system with 'some' portions being relagated to being apps on a PC. The phrase "jeez, can't we just make that a PC app?", became too frequent, very quickly we ended up with man years of development time, which was a complete surprise to all, except us. Our usual response of "you know, this will take a good bit of development time to complete" fell largely on deaf ears.

    "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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    • K kmoorevs

      Elimination of personal cell phones. I'd gladly give mine up for 8 hours a day! If relatives/friends had to call my work number (mostly complaining or needing something) they probably wouldn't bother! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It would also reduce the number of times I have to repeat myself due to a text message/email/phone call that interrupted a conversation! 'Sorry, what was that middle thing?' On a related note, I was told that it's rude to keep talking when the other person is obviously distracted by their phone. :confused:

      "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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      kmoorevs wrote:

      Elimination of personal cell phones.

      Agreed!

      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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      • 9 9082365

        Personal slaves?

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        Pete OHanlon
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        I have them but apparently they would rather be called employees.

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        • C chriselst

          What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

          Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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          Chris Losinger
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          move it 31 miles to the south-west of its current location

          image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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          • G Gary Wheeler

            We have The Spiral Staircase of Death. It's the shortest route from the downstairs cafeteria to the engineering wing second floor. It's also an easy way to die, if you get more than one person on it at a time (hence the name).

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            And a fire pole to go the other way? :-D

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              And a fire pole to go the other way? :-D

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              Gary Wheeler
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              Sadly, no fire pole. The closest thing to that is the gate in railing of the catwalk over the manufacturing area. It's used to lift equipment from the second floor of the engineering wing down to the first floor of manufacturing. You could jump, but the landing would be a bit harsh.

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              • C chriselst

                What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                1. Closed space 2. Brains for the management

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                  Gary Wheeler wrote:

                  Unfortunately I'm not kidding

                  I know and can sympathize. We were developing a mostly embedded system with 'some' portions being relagated to being apps on a PC. The phrase "jeez, can't we just make that a PC app?", became too frequent, very quickly we ended up with man years of development time, which was a complete surprise to all, except us. Our usual response of "you know, this will take a good bit of development time to complete" fell largely on deaf ears.

                  "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                  Gary Wheeler
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                  The secret story behind our current product's code name "Delta" goes something like this: The hardware's code name was that of a certain large, well-known river in North America. Our software provides overall control of the hardware. Given the priorities and the relative importance of the hardware over the software, we're the last ones to know anything new, and the last ones to finish. Hence, the code name "Delta" for our software. It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    1. Closed space 2. Brains for the management

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                    2. Brains for the management

                    C'mon now, he asked for something reasonable!

                    "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                      2. Brains for the management

                      C'mon now, he asked for something reasonable!

                      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                      He also asked for one! So I added a second...Everyone have dreams that can't come true...

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                        The secret story behind our current product's code name "Delta" goes something like this: The hardware's code name was that of a certain large, well-known river in North America. Our software provides overall control of the hardware. Given the priorities and the relative importance of the hardware over the software, we're the last ones to know anything new, and the last ones to finish. Hence, the code name "Delta" for our software. It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                        Gary Wheeler wrote:

                        It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

                        :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup: well sh!t does indeed flow downhill. At the end of a large North American river, out from the delta is a large dead zone, hmmm. Perhaps project Dead Zone is in your future. :)

                        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          1. Closed space 2. Brains for the management

                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                          2. Brains for the management

                          But then they wouldn't be management... ;)

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          • N Nagy Vilmos

                            A place of work would be a good start. :sigh:

                            veni bibi saltavi

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                            C'mon Nagy, resignation is not expected from bright minds.

                            In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                              2. Brains for the management

                              But then they wouldn't be management... ;)

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              And that would improve the place like nothing else...

                              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                              "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                              • C chriselst

                                What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                                Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                I think I've got it pretty good... Laptop, car, study budget, phone, any study book I need for free, free coffee, tea, water, soda, juices, a pretty good €1 lunch on Wednesday and snacks on Friday (I usually don't join either lunch though, I prefer to bring my own lunch), free fruit, free snacks, two big-ass monitors (since today), five minute drive from home (we moved last week, it was a 15 minute drive) and a decent salary. I can work from home whenever I want, but I don't because I can get along with my coworkers pretty well. So is there really NOTHING that could make it better? Yeah, stop sending ALL mail to my entire team. I get about 50 mails a day (on average) that I have nothing to do with, but that are directed to someone in my team X| I complained about it, but my team lead (very nice guy by the way) told me it was nice to get all those mails to keep up to date with other projects... I already created a rule to move all those mails to another folder to keep my inbox clean, if 1/50 mails is directed at me there's a good change I'll miss it X|

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                • C chriselst

                                  What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                                  Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                  Money for nothing and chicks for free. I see in other answers the downfall of the open space trend. I am glad my company was old fashioned when open spaces were considered 'cool'.

                                  In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                    Money for nothing and chicks for free. I see in other answers the downfall of the open space trend. I am glad my company was old fashioned when open spaces were considered 'cool'.

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                                    CPallini wrote:

                                    downfall of the open space trend

                                    My employer is still in the process of converting offices from tall cubes to short (and smaller) cubes. X| My building hasn't been converted yet, but probably within a few years. :sigh: I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home so they can then reduce square footage. I also think it was a "long term" decision that was made years ago, and now they don't want to change course regardless of any reviews of success or failure so far.

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                                    • C chriselst

                                      What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                                      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                      chriselst wrote:

                                      What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better?

                                      Friday Beer !!! Reasonable ??? :-D

                                      Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.

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                                      • G Gary Wheeler

                                        Realistic: Move my desk from its current location (middle of a 60-cube farm) to a lab, along with the rest of my group. It would be nice to have peace and quiet. Purchasing is next to our current location in the middle 40 acres, and they're always on the phone. Idealistic: Having software engineering concerns and priorities given the same credence as mechanical, electrical, and chemical engineering. When you work for a hardware company, software is always free, quick, and easy. "Can't you just add a popup?" is everyone's favorite solution to every problem :mad:. It comes down to a simple matter of respect, which we don't get.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        Like you but no cubes. Also the tech support often has to speak out VERY loud because the technicina on the other side is in a production environment with 100-130 dB of noise. Doing serious assembler stuff while two techs are shouting on the phone and three administratives are loudly speaking about soccer or how much of a moron is means headache, violence and general dissatisfaction.

                                        GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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                                          CPallini wrote:

                                          downfall of the open space trend

                                          My employer is still in the process of converting offices from tall cubes to short (and smaller) cubes. X| My building hasn't been converted yet, but probably within a few years. :sigh: I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home so they can then reduce square footage. I also think it was a "long term" decision that was made years ago, and now they don't want to change course regardless of any reviews of success or failure so far.

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                                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                          I think they are actively trying to get more workers to work from home

                                          I wish we could, I'd save 110 km each day of commuting. Our open space is designed so that the overseer can watch each monitor at a moment's notice and any people enterning the office can see every monitor. Guess if they would be prone to let us work from where nobody can keep us under surveillance... Extracts from the work regulations include: prohibition of talking from desk to desk, prohibition of getting up and walking to colleauges, prohibition of speaking to colleagues over the internal phone line. E-mails between coworkers are prohibited, for every communication should include the overseer. I think they missed the big writing "ARBEIT MACHT FREI"... Luckily my boss doesn't give a flock about all of this but the other departments of the company are terrible.

                                          GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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