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  • C chriselst

    Walls was what I was thinking too. Although not because of Soccer. Currently trying not to listen to a conversation two pods of desks over about potatoes.

    Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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    Graham Lemon UK
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    Likewise. Open plan office and the guy directly behind me spends most of his day in "motor-mouth" mode, either telling anyone who will listen how to do their job and why his way is better, or on the phone doing the same, plus he has the annoying habit of laughing at his own (so-called) jokes. Thank God our boss allows us to have headphones :-D

    Sometimes, it just is, OK!

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    • C chriselst

      What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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      charlieg
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      Windows <-- as in holes in the wall... :) Our s/w group works in the center of a rather large building. We might as well BE the tornado shelter, but in the event of bad weather they make us move to a less secure hallway. Shoot, I'd settle for a large hi-def screen on the wall connected to an outside camera. Of course, I'd lose the air flow. Sent from my home office with two windows (one open) and the golden retriever trying to commit suicide by snuggling up behind my office chair....

      Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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      • C chriselst

        What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

        Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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        Ygnaiih
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        A development group run by developers. There should be no BAs, meetings should never have more than 4 people (three is better and two ideal), and forget Agile which might have worked if it had been done by the original rules.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          European potatoes or African potatoes? :-D

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          MKJCP
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          What? Well, I don't kno....aaaaaaaaaaargh.

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          • C chriselst

            What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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            agolddog
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            We should start seeing in a few weeks. The HVAC system in this building was screwed up. Whenever there was a meeting in the conference room, it would cause the AC to come on in the working area--even if it was already 70F, the normal setting. Because, you know, the comfort of the 10 or so people in that room is more important than the health of the workers. Needless to say, that made winters particularly unpleasant. I hear that some adjustments have been made so we don't need to wear coats at our desks. We'll see now that the weather is cooling.

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            • C chriselst

              What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

              Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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              Kirk 10389821
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              Here are the changes that I made: 1) I labeled the coffee maker with instructions on how to make the friggin coffee! (It worked, consistent coffee, and the 2 of us who made it increased to most everyone!) 2) Dual Monitors (it was a while ago) 3) Moving 2 developers OUT of a shared office into their own "closet" offices. 4) A Herman Miller chair for my office (which I paid for myself) 5) Getting the phone system changed so programmers phones did not ring as a rollover! And I would say the first one gave me more joy, every day I found a fresh pot of coffee that someone else made! Ah... Make the changes.

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              • C chriselst

                What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                Fabio Franco
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                Tools to retain good developers.

                To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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                • D den2k88

                  You remember perfectly. No, the capo is absent almost 4 days a week :D and he has his own office... carved at the extremes of the room there are offices with glass walls. No noise passes through and he can watch each and every one of us simply turning up his head. Usually when he's "in office" he sleeps or spends 3-4 hours at the nearby cafè then takes leave.

                  megaadam wrote:

                  But watching the telly is fine as the capo is into sports??

                  They don't watch the TV in office but talk about the match of the previous evening. 8 hours straight. Violent thoughts arise...

                  GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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                  Herbie Mountjoy
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                  And ban the people who try to hold conversations from opposite ends of the office, by shouting. There are usually six or more of these moronic, long distance yaks going on at the same time.

                  I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.

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                  • H Herbie Mountjoy

                    And ban the people who try to hold conversations from opposite ends of the office, by shouting. There are usually six or more of these moronic, long distance yaks going on at the same time.

                    I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.

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                    Herbie Mountjoy wrote:

                    And ban the people who try to hold conversations from opposite ends of the office, by shouting

                    Ban? Yes, from the planet.

                    GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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                    • G Gary Wheeler

                      The secret story behind our current product's code name "Delta" goes something like this: The hardware's code name was that of a certain large, well-known river in North America. Our software provides overall control of the hardware. Given the priorities and the relative importance of the hardware over the software, we're the last ones to know anything new, and the last ones to finish. Hence, the code name "Delta" for our software. It also fits because we get to deal with all of the sh!t that comes down the river.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      WildlingCoder
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                      Well, if you wanted to keep the river metaphor going but make a point, you could make the name more interesting: Swamp, Alligator Food, River Blindness, Eerie Banjo Music... ;P

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        European potatoes or African potatoes? :-D

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                        Gary Huck
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                        How much do they weigh?

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                        • W WildlingCoder

                          Well, if you wanted to keep the river metaphor going but make a point, you could make the name more interesting: Swamp, Alligator Food, River Blindness, Eerie Banjo Music... ;P

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                          Gary Wheeler
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                          Yeah, but it takes so long to type MudSuckingBottomFeeder...

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          • C chriselst

                            What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                            Lost User
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                            I need a fridge... And a coffee maker. I have my HDTV, Rocksmith, exercise equipment, computers, futon, etc.; but I'm still missing some essentials.

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                            • K kmoorevs

                              Elimination of personal cell phones. I'd gladly give mine up for 8 hours a day! If relatives/friends had to call my work number (mostly complaining or needing something) they probably wouldn't bother! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It would also reduce the number of times I have to repeat myself due to a text message/email/phone call that interrupted a conversation! 'Sorry, what was that middle thing?' On a related note, I was told that it's rude to keep talking when the other person is obviously distracted by their phone. :confused:

                              "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                              PSU Steve
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                              We are not allowed to even bring our cell phones into the building (government facility, secure room). It's great, except when you need to check personal email and can't from your work PC because all mail websites are blocked.

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                              • P PIEBALDconsult

                                A bright, open, inviting stairway rather than the dark, cramped, hidden one we have now.

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                                RandyWester
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                                If the stairway were more inviting, it would be easier to push those people down it? Oh, sorry didn't see the new branch.

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                                • N Nagy Vilmos

                                  A place of work would be a good start. :sigh:

                                  veni bibi saltavi

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                                  Member 10707677
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                                  Workplace? I'd settle for an income.

                                  The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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                                    Pay me according to my work instead of according to how crappy your marketing strategies work out.

                                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                                    Member 10707677
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                                    Hmm. Incentive based pay based on the value added by your productive effort could result in your owing the company money. The crappy scheme pays your salary.

                                    The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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                                      Hmm. Incentive based pay based on the value added by your productive effort could result in your owing the company money. The crappy scheme pays your salary.

                                      The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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                                      Member 10707677 wrote:

                                      Hmm. Incentive based pay based on the value added by your productive effort could result in your owing the company money. The crappy scheme pays your salary.

                                      Ahhhh no. I work on projects that have deadlines, scope, and a budget. We hit those deadlines, manage the scope, and keep it under budget. We succeeded. We should be rewarded. It is not engineering's fault that marketing is filled with no good MBA grads that do not know the difference between a viable product and their arse, and engineering should not be punished for it. Yes I know, profits pay the bills etc. But as it is, every company I have worked at tries to dangle some carrot in front of engineering that is meaningless. We have no control over it, so in the end it is actually demotivating. They should stop that. Instead, they should use risk management practices and ensure the correct projects are worked on at the correct time. ALSO, they should budget better to ensure they have funds to motivate engineering to crash projects to hit better deadlines etc. and fund the moral boost (bonuses) with said funds when the teams are able to pull it off or finish early. It should not matter if the product sells. That was not our job. We built what marketing asked.

                                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                                      • R RandyWester

                                        If the stairway were more inviting, it would be easier to push those people down it? Oh, sorry didn't see the new branch.

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        I be all like "outa my way, slowpokes!" :-D

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                                        • C chriselst

                                          What would be the one, reasonable, change that could be made to your place of work to make it better? Particularly looking forward to Griff's response to this? I've asked the question, but don't have a ready answer for myself.

                                          Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                          Robert g Blair
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                                          As I am an independent, I have set up my place of work to suit me. Many years ago I had to go up into the ceiling space of my house to replace the battery for the alarm system, and realized there was a huge unused attic space up there. I got a builder to "convert" it into a 6 x 4 meter office, two large windows (plus stairs) for the equivalent of 6 weeks of my then rate. It is very quiet - it sits on top of the previously laid ceiling insulation. After the first flush of enthusiasm, other people in the house can't be bothered climbing the stairs unless they really need to. So I have very few interruptions. I have a 2 meter desk on one side, and a 1.7 meter work-bench on the other. There is about 20 meters of shelving in the room. When I was a wage slave I was always amused that large companies would pay in excess of $100,000 for 48 weeks of 40 hour weeks (1920 hours) of my time and then stick me in some kind of crazy open "bull-ring" to go do my work. A nice environment for a frenzied forex trader, but NFG for a software developer. Guaranteed 50% productivity decrease. IMHO, a serious developer needs a large, quiet space to work in. Yes, he must go and talk with other people - the rest of the team, users etc. But it is a good thing that to do so he must get up and move away from his work-place.

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