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VW Blames The Programmers!!!

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  • K Kevin Marois

    Here[^] I blame QA

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    I wonder if VW will make the judgement that is cheaper to abandon the US market than fix the cars and pay the fines.

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    • K Kevin Marois

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      Joe Woodbury
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      What nonsense. I further suspect that this thing is going to spread a lot further and will include VW gas engines as well. I know a few people with Volkswagons and even the fanboys complain about how difficult it is to get them serviced if there is something wrong with the computer. The fact that so many had problems with the computer is equally troubling.

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      • J Jim Meadors

        Yeah, I guess the programmers should have reported it rather than implementing it... :doh:

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        Kenneth Haugland
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        And never get a job again. Oh wait, that's gonna happen now too :laugh:

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        • K Kevin Marois

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          If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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          Lost User
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          the hamsters did it!

          it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.

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          • K Kevin Marois

            Here[^] I blame QA

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            Weylyn Cadwell
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            Well, they're technically not wrong. They're just leaving off extremely important information, but that's standard business stuff. You don't lie, you just leave off the important bits.

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            • K Kevin Marois

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              Eytukan
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              "We know we can fix these vehicles to meet emissions standards," Horn said, adding that a potential fix would likely have a "slight impact on performance. One or two miles of top speed might be missing." He think his mind reads it "we KNEW and that's why we went for this trick" :evil:. They are actually blaming software engineers for not implementing a quality AI that detects, if a secret enquiry is happening and continue act innocent for any longer- as long as it senses someone stalking :rolleyes:

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                I wonder if VW will make the judgement that is cheaper to abandon the US market than fix the cars and pay the fines.

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                A couple of problems with doing this: 1. That would still not prevent class action suits by VW purchasers. If they can't get at VW directly, they might go after the assets of any company wholly owned by VW. 2. The U.S. government would certainly go after the assets of any company owned by VW. To summarize, this would involve stopping any and all U.S. activity by VW or its subsidiaries. Given today's world, I doubt that it is even possible, let alone desirable.

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                • K Kevin Marois

                  Here[^] I blame QA

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                  Super Lloyd
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                  Well... since the executive do not really do anything, they can hardly be guilty of anything, can they?! :omg:

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                  • K Kevin Marois

                    Here[^] I blame QA

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    So they're not only frauds, but also liars and cowards... And they're already being hired by other companies for top functions. We live in a messed up world :sigh:

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                    • K Kevin Marois

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                      hakahme
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                      Are they foolhardy or just desperate? Some "rogue" programmer might have documented the assignment. Any civil servant would certainly have done so. And if the effect really was neglible, why ever take the risk?:~

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                      • K Kevin Marois

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                        Dominic Burford
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                        It stated on the news that a couple of "rogue programmers" were responsible. Does anyone seriously believe this is the truth?! Seriously. A couple of programmers managed to hack the software and no-one noticed? Not one person reviewed their code, not one person questioned why they made the changes they did, no one raised a single concern! Bullsh*t! We all know this directive came from the very top. Maybe they didn't explicitly mention anything about hacking the on-board software in the cars, but the directive would have been "Make the cars appear more efficient and cleaner and we will provide huge monetary incentives". Typically the big dicks at the top of the tree are sh*tting all over those at the bottom. What complete assholes! Sorry, but this makes me really angry :mad:. And relax :-D

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                        • K Kevin Marois

                          Here[^] I blame QA

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                          There's a basic flaw in that theory: Software developers are inherently lazy. Unless specifically directed to otherwise, they're going to report the data as it is, because that's the path of least resistance. They don't care whether the engineers get the auto to EPA standards. They'd be much more likely to say, "well, go fix your engineering problem."

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                          • D Daniel Pfeffer

                            A couple of problems with doing this: 1. That would still not prevent class action suits by VW purchasers. If they can't get at VW directly, they might go after the assets of any company wholly owned by VW. 2. The U.S. government would certainly go after the assets of any company owned by VW. To summarize, this would involve stopping any and all U.S. activity by VW or its subsidiaries. Given today's world, I doubt that it is even possible, let alone desirable.

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                            R Giskard Reventlov
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                            Just speculating. 1: a civil class action suit could not be applied overseas. Same as going bankrupt in the USA would leave your assets intact and untouchable in France. 2: I'm suggesting that they may take the view to completely abandon the US market; completely! Nothing for the govt to take. I agree it is probably unlikely, just wondering if it had crossed their minds and how serious the train of thought might have been. In any case, they make decent if boring vehicles and it's been mooted that they are not the only manufacturer doing this. I think there was an article (Telegraph, possibly) that stated that other manufacturers are going to get dragged into the melee.

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