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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    chriselst
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    s - stick that on the end of everywhere you've put math and you'll be fine.

    Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      Sander Rossel wrote:

      In two weeks I'd have a math test.

      If I were you, I'd have a go at Maths. It's real good stuff and exists outside of the USA.

      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Hmm, given that Mathematics is one of those subjects I like the most, does that imply you, Sir Sander of Rossels, are my enemy? :laugh:

        You have just been Sharapova'd.

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        • D den2k88

          If you develope CRUD in any of its forms, or plain web applications, or just another UI I agree with you. Enter in robotics, movement, predictions, big data analysis, operating systems, chemical reaction control plants, scientific environments, telecommunications control, signal analysis, 3D, CAD, CAM, nuclear plants... and without math you're basically nothing. It all depends on the field, I know many programmers who don't need math - I lurk on the other side, despite my knowledge of math is not what I expect from myself.

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          Don't think that is true. The company I work in we require people that do math to do certain work. We use the people that are good at maths to do that type of work. But the rest (even if they can do math, and all of them can) doesn't get used to do it. The result is that they loose there maths knowledge (maybe easyish to learn it again), because they don't use it. In my working environment it is only small areas of projects which requires some mathematicians.

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          • R R Giskard Reventlov

            Ha: that made me think of this[^].

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            Sander Rossel
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            There can be only one (if only math were that simple)! :D

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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              Sander Rossel wrote:

              In two weeks I'd have a math test.

              If I were you, I'd have a go at Maths. It's real good stuff and exists outside of the USA.

              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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              Michael Martin wrote:

              and exists outside of the USA.

              Unfortunately, because that's where I am! :laugh:

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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                Hmm, given that Mathematics is one of those subjects I like the most, does that imply you, Sir Sander of Rossels, are my enemy? :laugh:

                You have just been Sharapova'd.

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                Sander Rossel
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                I'm guessing Blofeld was pretty good at math too ;)

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                • C chriselst

                  s - stick that on the end of everywhere you've put math and you'll be fine.

                  Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                  Sander Rossel
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                  I'm not going into an arguement with you. Simply grab an encyclopaedia to see I did nothing wrong. In fact, I'm pretty skillful in both British and American. In my defence, we're much more America oriented here and my browser even marks British as incorrect, which is, of course, a wrong analysis. In this post I'll honour your favourite language though. But please don't criticise my inability to memorise all these minor differences. I'm using my best judgement, so stop quarelling. Despite my American writing I still prefer metres over inches. I'm glad we had this dialogue :D

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    Bruce Patin
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                    I needed to use algebra to design the fencing around my backyard garden so as not to waste wood and still look good. One also needs to know how to take the modulo of a polynomial to compute keys in encryption. And then there is the need to compute the degree of non-orthogonality of magnetic and electric fields when designing a flying saucer.

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                    • B Bruce Patin

                      I needed to use algebra to design the fencing around my backyard garden so as not to waste wood and still look good. One also needs to know how to take the modulo of a polynomial to compute keys in encryption. And then there is the need to compute the degree of non-orthogonality of magnetic and electric fields when designing a flying saucer.

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                      On the other computing the time taken for a piano to fall from a third floor balcony to the ground is probably not your best bet if you happen to be underneath it at the time!

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                        LaTeX editor

                        Is that Sean's latest outfit?


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                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          I love math, but can't say I ever learned to love LaTeX. I understand how it was useful back when my main editor was vi, but these days with editors like Word that just let you see what you're doing, I don't really get the point. That said, when I do have to work on a TeX document (because of whom I'm working with or conference format or whatever), I've found LyX to be a good WYSIWYG editor. There's definitely a learning curve, but the documentation is good, it's free, and I've always managed to get the formatting I want eventually. Good luck with the blog and I hope you learn to enjoy the math. Once you know the math enough to trust it, it's a great comfort to be able to tell yourself "mathematically this is right, so there must just be a mistake in the code."

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            There can be only one (if only math were that simple)! :D

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            R Giskard Reventlov
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                            Lambert was appalling in the part. Ruined a good story with his faux Scottish accent. And Connery... Oy! Anyway, fun film.

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                              I love math, but can't say I ever learned to love LaTeX. I understand how it was useful back when my main editor was vi, but these days with editors like Word that just let you see what you're doing, I don't really get the point. That said, when I do have to work on a TeX document (because of whom I'm working with or conference format or whatever), I've found LyX to be a good WYSIWYG editor. There's definitely a learning curve, but the documentation is good, it's free, and I've always managed to get the formatting I want eventually. Good luck with the blog and I hope you learn to enjoy the math. Once you know the math enough to trust it, it's a great comfort to be able to tell yourself "mathematically this is right, so there must just be a mistake in the code."

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                              The problem with mathematics is the abstract presentation as opposed to practical applications. For proof, look at any Wikipedia page on statistical tests. The mathematicians have edited them so that they are absolutely correct and absolutely useless for anyone wanting to actually code and execute a T-test or a simple ANOVA. My greatest "Aha!" moment came in grad school when I realized that the integral calculus that I pounded my head into as an undergrad was really just determining the area under a curve, and that one could accomplish the same thing with a sheet of graph paper, a pair of scissors, and a good scale (draw the curve, cut it out and weigh it, cut out a 4x4 block of squares and weight it, then calculate the ratio -- you've now integrated the curve using simple algebra and up yours Sir Isaac!). Oh, and LyX is excellent for typesetting equations.

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                              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                Lambert was appalling in the part. Ruined a good story with his faux Scottish accent. And Connery... Oy! Anyway, fun film.

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                                R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

                                Lambert was appalling in the part

                                Is he ever not appaling? One of the worst films ever: Beowulf[^] :)

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                  I love math, but can't say I ever learned to love LaTeX. I understand how it was useful back when my main editor was vi, but these days with editors like Word that just let you see what you're doing, I don't really get the point. That said, when I do have to work on a TeX document (because of whom I'm working with or conference format or whatever), I've found LyX to be a good WYSIWYG editor. There's definitely a learning curve, but the documentation is good, it's free, and I've always managed to get the formatting I want eventually. Good luck with the blog and I hope you learn to enjoy the math. Once you know the math enough to trust it, it's a great comfort to be able to tell yourself "mathematically this is right, so there must just be a mistake in the code."

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                                  Sander Rossel
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                                  Carney Four wrote:

                                  I've found LyX to be a good WYSIWYG editor

                                  Thanks, I'll certainly look into that! :)

                                  Carney Four wrote:

                                  Good luck with the blog

                                  Thanks again! :)

                                  Carney Four wrote:

                                  I hope you learn to enjoy the math

                                  I hope so too... :sigh:

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                    I needed to use algebra to design the fencing around my backyard garden so as not to waste wood and still look good. One also needs to know how to take the modulo of a polynomial to compute keys in encryption. And then there is the need to compute the degree of non-orthogonality of magnetic and electric fields when designing a flying saucer.

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                                    Bruce Patin wrote:

                                    I needed to use algebra to design the fencing around my backyard garden so as not to waste wood and still look good

                                    I hire people for that! :laugh:

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

                                      Lambert was appalling in the part

                                      Is he ever not appaling? One of the worst films ever: Beowulf[^] :)

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      Is he ever not appaling?

                                      Excellent point.

                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      One of the worst films ever: Beowulf[^]

                                      Never seen it... never will. :-)

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                                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                                        I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer.

                                        Depending on the field you are in... if you are developing 3D games or you are in the robotics field it is more than possible you'll need math. In a lot of other cases, though, they are not needed at all...

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                                        Or writing stock applications, or writing software for spacecraft/launch vehicles/cars/real things particularly with accelerometers.

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          When hiring for computer science positions in the Engineering field, math and artistic talent are the two most important things we look at. No math talent, no artistic talent, no interest!

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