am I the only guy annoyed with Microsoft?
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I'm considering linux, but what about the grandmas that use the computer program I wrote for windows? It's them I'm concerned about.
A couple of months ago I installed Linux Mint for daily usage, never looked back. Blazing fast, no virus risk, incredibly stable, never had any problems with updating (did not check auto-updates though). What amazes me everytime: After enabling "Fast Boot" option in BIOS, when I push the power button, login screen is up before I can put my hand back on my mouse. And this is some 2-cores 3GHz 4GB RAM machine, i.e. no fancy hardware. Meanwhile; at the exact same time I installed a fresh Win10 on my laptop which is 4-cores 2.something GHz 6GB (i.e. better than my desktop). No AV, no crapware, not even MS Office or any other office suite. Just productivity stuff like Launchy and Search Everything, Visual Studio for development and Firefox as browser. It's already sluggish as hell.
"The primary trait of a good programmer is laziness. Nobody works harder to do nothing than a good programmer." - MehGerbil
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Where's the rage i expected to find in here? Doesn't anybody have a grandma that they've had to help through this win10 SP1 thing? Yes grandma. Start / Power / Restart, then wait 45 minutes. It will finally work again. No. It'll be no better than before. But it will work again. At least windows explorer remembers where you f***-ing put it. Is there anything else in this damn service pack??? Doesn't this win10 stuff ANGER anybody besides me??? I mean, wtf??? The old control panel isn't gone, but there IS a huge new one to wade through. And it's dog slow. Full of thrilling ........ animations. And the start menu is back. But it's now DOG slow. Are there any good parts to windows 10? At all? I mean, isn't this exactly how you're NOT supposed to deliver software? Does Microsoft feel no shame? wtf?
Nope. Not particularly angry. There are other things to be concerned about than to get my shorts in a knot over an OS update. It works. I'm fine.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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Where's the rage i expected to find in here? Doesn't anybody have a grandma that they've had to help through this win10 SP1 thing? Yes grandma. Start / Power / Restart, then wait 45 minutes. It will finally work again. No. It'll be no better than before. But it will work again. At least windows explorer remembers where you f***-ing put it. Is there anything else in this damn service pack??? Doesn't this win10 stuff ANGER anybody besides me??? I mean, wtf??? The old control panel isn't gone, but there IS a huge new one to wade through. And it's dog slow. Full of thrilling ........ animations. And the start menu is back. But it's now DOG slow. Are there any good parts to windows 10? At all? I mean, isn't this exactly how you're NOT supposed to deliver software? Does Microsoft feel no shame? wtf?
I fought the upgrade for awhile but after I finally went to it's fine. There's a couple of little bugs here and there but they'll get to those in an update; nothing show-stopping. I'm actually impressed at how well it works with my complex set of development tools and utilities on here, I expected something to break. Nothing worth mentioning is wrong at this point.
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sooooo you don't mind that loads of the people who use your software have had to wade through win8, 8sp1, win10, 10sp1 ?? sorry customer. sucks to be you. 10SP1 isn't as broken as win10, it's install didn't blow up for me, and it was free. wheeeeeere is the rage i expected ?? We are on WINDOWS 10 SP1 !!
If "loads" of people were using my software, well, that'd be nice, and I'd want them to be on a nice modern OS so things would be less likely to break. So yeah, no rage here. Win10 hasn't annoyed me yet, and that's a pretty big accomplishment in and of itself.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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works fine, eh? so it doesn't bother you that you've had to wait 2 hours for win10 and SP1 to install? Restart your pc and boom - it's gone for 45 minutes no warning. That doesn't bother you? and you've got an os that's basically win7 plus bloat plus a windows update that's a lot bumpier? I don't know about you, but I'm getting worried about microsoft. This was supposed to be the GOOD one of the every other release cycle. Seriously, has the emperor decided he likes his new "clothes" ??? Do we have to go looking for an emperor that isn't fricken insane? I am pretty p***ed... This is not how the company that builds my OS should be.
As far as I'm concerned the update went smoothly. 2 hours? Not quite. About an hour-and-a-half from start to finish (and that included downloading the thing). I have a fairly complex set up and was initially worried it might break something important. Nope ... Visual Studio / Office ... all my 3rd-party tools, applications etc. seem to be fine. Kind of nice for it to have been delivered over the wire instead of having to get a DVD or something. Maybe you've got a slow Internet pipe?
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Actually, Grandma might have an easier time with one for the types of things she likely does (play games, do Facebook etc.)
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ha ha :) I hear that. but you knoooooow gramma is gonna see that big update circle with the 10% and think to herself "where are my cat videos? I see that it says don't turn off your PC, but I really want to see those cat videos. I bet if I turned it off and on again it'll start working." FORCE POWER DOWN... Steeeeeeve? Yeah, hi, it's gramma. My computer doesn't work, can you come help me, please? I don't think win10 or any OS ever will everrrr solve the gramma problem :)
stephen.hazel wrote:
I don't think win10 or any OS ever will everrrr solve the gramma problem :)
Yes, the grandma/grandpa problem will never be solved...even when we are grandparents! Just think of our future grand children going crazy trying to teach us the latest technology...the circle of life continues! :laugh:
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone - Bjarne Stroustrup The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke! My code has no bugs, it runs exactly as it was written.
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Where's the rage i expected to find in here? Doesn't anybody have a grandma that they've had to help through this win10 SP1 thing? Yes grandma. Start / Power / Restart, then wait 45 minutes. It will finally work again. No. It'll be no better than before. But it will work again. At least windows explorer remembers where you f***-ing put it. Is there anything else in this damn service pack??? Doesn't this win10 stuff ANGER anybody besides me??? I mean, wtf??? The old control panel isn't gone, but there IS a huge new one to wade through. And it's dog slow. Full of thrilling ........ animations. And the start menu is back. But it's now DOG slow. Are there any good parts to windows 10? At all? I mean, isn't this exactly how you're NOT supposed to deliver software? Does Microsoft feel no shame? wtf?
Hehe. I'm just going to sit here in my corner of the desktop usage share, and watch the newest Microsoft drama roll by with my pet penguin. On a slightly more serious note, I did use the insider preview of 10 (now I have to work on my brother's machine, which got upgraded). It's junk the way I see it - especially if you're not using a standard setup. It feels more like they reskinned Windows 7 than did anything innovative. Microsoft should stop trying so hard to be hip, and go back to the solid production machines they had a reputation for.
When I talk to people who don't even know what source code is, I open an editor window and say "This is what we go through every time you find a bug!"
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Where's the rage i expected to find in here? Doesn't anybody have a grandma that they've had to help through this win10 SP1 thing? Yes grandma. Start / Power / Restart, then wait 45 minutes. It will finally work again. No. It'll be no better than before. But it will work again. At least windows explorer remembers where you f***-ing put it. Is there anything else in this damn service pack??? Doesn't this win10 stuff ANGER anybody besides me??? I mean, wtf??? The old control panel isn't gone, but there IS a huge new one to wade through. And it's dog slow. Full of thrilling ........ animations. And the start menu is back. But it's now DOG slow. Are there any good parts to windows 10? At all? I mean, isn't this exactly how you're NOT supposed to deliver software? Does Microsoft feel no shame? wtf?
I too share your pain. Recently I bought a Chromebook.It is refreshing to experience once again how a computer is supposed to work. Seniors, in particular, should be spared the suffering of using an OS requiring such relentless doses of updates as Windows does. If all they need to do is browse the internet, why should they be bothered with useless eye-candy desktop widgets? Simplicity is a requirement for efficiency.
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OT - really enjoyed reading your bio on your website. How did you remember all that stuff? I can't recall what happened three days ago; but I was born 20 years before you. And, incidentally, passed through Seattle (courtesy of Merchant Marine) the year you were born.
well I'm glad ya liked it. at first I just sort of started guessing at the years and then looked for picture proof. just kinda wanted to show the younger programmers i come across what it was like back in them olden daze :)
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stephen.hazel wrote:
so it doesn't bother you that you've had to wait 2 hours for win10 and SP1 to install?
I have not had to wait 2 hours for any Windows 10 installations or updates. Maybe it's just you.
well for both win10 install (a little over an hour) and SP1 (a little under an hour)...
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Technically, they skipped one, so it also might be they skipped the good one. Wrong move Microsoft.
I like your thinkin on that. That MUST have been what happened alright :)
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stephen.hazel wrote:
a real tablet PC that you can hook 2 monitors and 2 usb hubs to. Which, of course, is a loooong ways from reality. But I'd like to see it. I'd dump windows immediately
The irony of your statement is that the Surface Pro is already there, and has been there for a number of years now. I've used mine as my primary computer, hooked up to a USB hub that let me connect 3 monitors to it, plus my mouse, keyboard, and all other standard USB devices. The only reason I'm no longer using it in that fashion is that I've seen upgrade to 4K, which my first-gen Surface Pro can't do. How much longer are you willing to wait for this to be reality with Android?
Well, yeah, I've got a 2-in-1 laptop, too (a lot cheaper). It's got my 60" tv and a portrait monitor and 2 USB hubs with 4 midi devices, 2 wireless keyboards n a mouse, midi adapter, and external drive on it. It screams and I'm not goin back to desktops. But I wouuuuuuld like to have an alternative OS that'll do that that can make microsoft jump again. An OS popular enough that grandmas will use it. I can wait another 10 years for Android to get there. But when it does, I'll look forward to closing my windows. I mean, why are we ok with win8 coming out. LAME. win8 SP1 comes out. LAME. win10 comes out. LAME. Now we're on SP1 which is SUPPOSED to be non lame BY DEFINITION... lame lame lame LAAAME !![^] I, for one, think Microsoft deserves some shame for 4 major releases that get us nowhere better than win7
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works fine, eh? so it doesn't bother you that you've had to wait 2 hours for win10 and SP1 to install? Restart your pc and boom - it's gone for 45 minutes no warning. That doesn't bother you? and you've got an os that's basically win7 plus bloat plus a windows update that's a lot bumpier? I don't know about you, but I'm getting worried about microsoft. This was supposed to be the GOOD one of the every other release cycle. Seriously, has the emperor decided he likes his new "clothes" ??? Do we have to go looking for an emperor that isn't fricken insane? I am pretty p***ed... This is not how the company that builds my OS should be.
Yeah, it takes 45 minutes. But I got to keep working while it downloaded. I didn't have to go to the store and buy a disk. It updated without need for interaction, so I did some housecleaning while it updated. I mean jeez, what do you want for free? Do I wish the update downloaded invisibly and updated instantaneously? Sure. Am I angry that I don't get magical wishes? Not so much.
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Where's the rage i expected to find in here? Doesn't anybody have a grandma that they've had to help through this win10 SP1 thing? Yes grandma. Start / Power / Restart, then wait 45 minutes. It will finally work again. No. It'll be no better than before. But it will work again. At least windows explorer remembers where you f***-ing put it. Is there anything else in this damn service pack??? Doesn't this win10 stuff ANGER anybody besides me??? I mean, wtf??? The old control panel isn't gone, but there IS a huge new one to wade through. And it's dog slow. Full of thrilling ........ animations. And the start menu is back. But it's now DOG slow. Are there any good parts to windows 10? At all? I mean, isn't this exactly how you're NOT supposed to deliver software? Does Microsoft feel no shame? wtf?
I like Windows 10 just fine. However, it has the same just slightly flakey feel as a Linux distro. Stuff doesn't always work just right. I think Microsoft may be telling us there is no longer any difference between Windows and Linux. I think they'll eventually be sorry they did that.
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I too share your pain. Recently I bought a Chromebook.It is refreshing to experience once again how a computer is supposed to work. Seniors, in particular, should be spared the suffering of using an OS requiring such relentless doses of updates as Windows does. If all they need to do is browse the internet, why should they be bothered with useless eye-candy desktop widgets? Simplicity is a requirement for efficiency.
Not sure I agree with the Chromebook part. But yeah. So much needless suffering on end users' parts. Microsoft's brand is being tarnished. And Microsoft is the one doing the tarnishing. If they'd not released 8-10 to the public, and just went from 7 to 10 SP1, well, that probably would have been smart. I, being a computer programmer, felt I should suffer through it. If my users were gonna, I should. I didn't suffer cuz I'm a dang computer programmer. But why so much needless suffering for the grandmas out there. People have bought new computers to find out they can't even use them. You can't just tell your customers oh, 8 was beta. oh 8 SP1 was beta. oh 10 was beta. oh 10 SP1 might be beta. We'll let you know...