Code Monkey
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Do you really care what someone else calls you?
Are you suggesting it's ok to use degrading names as long as the target gets paid?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
As with many terms, context is important. A number of years back, I was sitting at lunch with a couple of co-workers. One noted he was on vacation the following week, as said, "Lucky bastard, I wish I had vacation time." In context, the term was simply a phrase - no insult intended. However, for years afterward, I was subjected to muttered insults because he perceived me as questioning whether his parents were married or not when he was born. If he had questioned me at the time, I would have apologized if he was insulted. Instead, he waited for years until the witness to the conversation was leaving the company, and then he complained to my manager because he was about to lose the only witness. When confronted by my manager, I repeated the conversation and noted that, in context, no insult was intended. So? Is code monkey a degrading term? Depends on how it was used... much the same way as mechanics are often called grease monkeys.
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
At the end of another day of the joy of programming, fresh bananas in hand, I respect myself too much to give a shyte what other people think :)
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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At the end of another day of the joy of programming, fresh bananas in hand, I respect myself too much to give a shyte what other people think :)
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
I've been called "An angel" by a customer, "Über" by colleagues and "Super brilliant" by both :D Only a very rude and arrogant external developer called me "a little man" once (which means something like "unknowledgable, unexperienced"), but that tells more about him than me :D Sounds like your working environment isn't all that great and maybe you should bring it up...
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Regards, Sander
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As with many terms, context is important. A number of years back, I was sitting at lunch with a couple of co-workers. One noted he was on vacation the following week, as said, "Lucky bastard, I wish I had vacation time." In context, the term was simply a phrase - no insult intended. However, for years afterward, I was subjected to muttered insults because he perceived me as questioning whether his parents were married or not when he was born. If he had questioned me at the time, I would have apologized if he was insulted. Instead, he waited for years until the witness to the conversation was leaving the company, and then he complained to my manager because he was about to lose the only witness. When confronted by my manager, I repeated the conversation and noted that, in context, no insult was intended. So? Is code monkey a degrading term? Depends on how it was used... much the same way as mechanics are often called grease monkeys.
Spot on. :thumbsup:
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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That needs a cheque with more zeroes before the decimal.
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Like this $0000001.00? :-\
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As long as the check doesn't bounce, they can call me whatever they want.
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..the problem is that peoples' ideas (and hence actions) are based on abstract things like words. First you call them a dumb fuck, next you'll treat them as one. Repeating the name has a NLP-like effect. And no, they can't call you what they want; one might break the law in doing so.
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No, I'm suggesting that it's not important to care what someone else calls you. If your sense of self-worth is invested purely in what someone else thinks of you or calls you, you need to reevaluate your priorities in life.
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So let me ask you another question then. Do you believe it's ok to use degrading names as long as the target gets paid?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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As with many terms, context is important. A number of years back, I was sitting at lunch with a couple of co-workers. One noted he was on vacation the following week, as said, "Lucky bastard, I wish I had vacation time." In context, the term was simply a phrase - no insult intended. However, for years afterward, I was subjected to muttered insults because he perceived me as questioning whether his parents were married or not when he was born. If he had questioned me at the time, I would have apologized if he was insulted. Instead, he waited for years until the witness to the conversation was leaving the company, and then he complained to my manager because he was about to lose the only witness. When confronted by my manager, I repeated the conversation and noted that, in context, no insult was intended. So? Is code monkey a degrading term? Depends on how it was used... much the same way as mechanics are often called grease monkeys.
You're right, you effing bastard!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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At the end of another day of the joy of programming, fresh bananas in hand, I respect myself too much to give a shyte what other people think :)
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
BillWoodruff wrote:
bananas in hand
hmmmmm.... tmi, I think
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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You're right, you effing bastard!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Exactly....
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No, I'm suggesting that it's not important to care what someone else calls you. If your sense of self-worth is invested purely in what someone else thinks of you or calls you, you need to reevaluate your priorities in life.
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The point here is that in terms of your career it does matter whether you are respected. Otherwise you won't progress. Unless you are genuinely happy to stasy as a code monkey forever in which case it is all cool...
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
Obligatory Dilbert Reference: http://dilbert.com/strip/2008-03-04[^]
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Do you really care what someone else calls you?
Are you suggesting it's ok to use degrading names as long as the target gets paid?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
as long as the target gets paid?
Well, that's a pretty good start.
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
A server guy once called me a code monkey - he's been a server monkey ever since - no big deal with a beer apiece. As for your workplace - well I've heard of such situations (mainly in Dilbert) - but in my place (not a software outfit) people come to IT for a hoped-for "boon of coding." IT can (and should) present itself as a priesthood (think in terms of user kowtow). Finally - once they're steeped in your code, you have them by the proverbial short-hairs. They just need to be reminded.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
Worker Bee is a compliment and distinguishes those people actually doing something from the management who sit in meetings and don't actually do anything. Code Monkey is an insult meaning that even a mindless monkey could do the job. I've have treated as such by management and architects.
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Worker Bee is a compliment and distinguishes those people actually doing something from the management who sit in meetings and don't actually do anything. Code Monkey is an insult meaning that even a mindless monkey could do the job. I've have treated as such by management and architects.
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
I call myself a code monkey in some contexts, I also call guys data monkeys, they call themselves data scientists. You do need some context!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Has anyone here ever been called Code Monkey? I was talking to a system architect and he casually called me a "Code Monkey". BTW that guy works for another outfit. Developers are not respected where I work either. At my shop I have been called a "Worker Bee".
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Do you enjoy what you do? Do you get paid for it? Do you really care what someone else calls you?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Do you really care what someone else calls you?
As many others stated, context (and tone) are important. If a manager would constantly call me code monkey I'd loose my respect towards him and in consequence question his quality as a manager (which in the end leads to me looking for a better job). If a friend 'd call me a code monkey I wouldn't really care.
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