Does anyone still think that Turkey is not behind ISIS
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
No, but they were traitors. A terrorist is an entirely different breed; his purpose is first and foremost to terrorize.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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Troll turds, everywhere. :sigh:
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The Russian government/military is not our friend. Has never been our friend. Will never be our friend. So, I don't care if Turkey shot down one of their jets. Putin is full of shit. Every word out of his mouth, smells like elephant farts.
Slacker007 wrote:
The Russian government/military is not our friend. Has never been our friend. Will never be our friend. So, I don't care if Turkey shot down one of their jets. Putin is full of sh*t. Every word out of his mouth, smells like elephant farts.
:thumbsup: What is happening on the World stage now reminds me very much of the lead-up to WW2 and the appeasement of Hitler.
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All good, but they got these big nukes, you are obviously not aware of. And believe me, Turkey is not our friend as well. They despise us almost as much as Russians do. And I don't want them to drag us into a war with a nuclear power ruled from a semi-dictator, because their ambitions to grab a chunk from another country.
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Russia has bombed 1000 trucks carrying oil from ISIS oil platforms in Syria back to Turkey in the last week and then we see that Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter that it seem did not even enter its air-space. Turkey knew Russia was not attacking it and was fighting ISIS along the border and too me it looks like Turkey got upset with Russia for blocking its cheap oil imports. See https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/[^] The U.S has said it has been fighting ISIS for two years inside Syria but got no where and Russia has them on the run after just one month and now we hear that the U.S gives the ISIS oil convoys a 45 minuite warning before it bombs them and thats only after being shamed into bombing them by a growing public anger. Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels" that cannot be very moderate when they all run off with guns we gave them and join ISIS
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
Yes. They would have been classed as terrorists in those times. But the word, like the world, has evolved since then. For example only a few decades ago Homosexuals were classed as Sexual Criminals on a par with rapists and paedophilles. Thankfully the world has evolved since then. The reason the Americans/British who rebelled are not seen as terrorists is because they won. To give it a British perspective, if Guy Fawkes had been successful, Nov 4th would be a Public Holiday where we would all feast on luxury food whilst receiving presents from our loved ones. Instead we stand in freezing cold rain watching shitty fireworks when we might aswell set fire to our wallet and toss it over the garden shed to achieve the same effect.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
Yes. They would have been classed as terrorists in those times. But the word, like the world, has evolved since then. For example only a few decades ago Homosexuals were classed as Sexual Criminals on a par with rapists and paedophilles. Thankfully the world has evolved since then. The reason the Americans/British who rebelled are not seen as terrorists is because they won. To give it a British perspective, if Guy Fawkes had been successful, Nov 4th would be a Public Holiday where we would all feast on luxury food whilst receiving presents from our loved ones. Instead we stand in freezing cold rain watching shitty fireworks when we might aswell set fire to our wallet and toss it over the garden shed to achieve the same effect.
PompeyThree wrote:
But the word, like the world, has evolved since then.
Yes, it has. We industrialized genodicde. People have not become morally superiour compared to man living a few years ago.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
semi-dic
:laugh: :laugh: Sorry, I know I'm juvenillelle but you just said
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
semi-dic
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You may have as match laugh as you wish, but when the nuclear bombs start falling, I'm the one that will have the last laugh :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh, wait...
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Yes Russia said all that stuff, so it must be true. I see no reason why they would lie. None what-so-ever.
This is one of the rare cases they don't lie. Russian pilots were shot down for bombing Turkish insurgents in Syria(and yes, they had it coming). That's why the pilot was shot dead after he bail out. Simple revenge. What concerns me is that Turkey - also a dictatorship, is a NATO member. Actually the only dictatorship in the alliance.And we can see the result.
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Member 9082365 wrote:
but given that Russian targeting technology is outdated
This is not true from more than a decade. GPS bombs, targeting systems on Su-24 that can make pinpoint hits with "dumb" bombs within CEP of few meters. Naval and air lunched cruise missiles that hits their targets from 3000 miles. Only US is ahead of Russians in this area. So this stereotype is a little outdated.
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I'm a little in two minds about this. On one hand, there is the false urban legend that the US spent millions trying to make a pen that would work in zero-g, while the Russians simply took pencils. On the other hand, is the record of the soviets when it comes to re-usable liquid-fuelled rocket technology. The ill-fated N1 project produced both engines and materials that far exceeded that which the US could come up with for at least another 20 years.(The russians acheived closed-cycle operation first, in which the exhaust from the turbo-pumps is fed back into the combustion chamber, rather than being dumped. They also devised a stainless steel alloy whose heat resistance was something to be admired) The Russians have a track record for a propensity to throw brain-power at a problem before they throw money at it. And so on, and so forth. All anecdotal at best, irrelevant at worst. Yesterday I read an article that claimed Russian war-planes are using commercially available consumer-grade GPS units. Staggered, I wrote off the claim as one made by anti-Russian trolls. I then found these two gems amongst the noise. Rather an interesting development in light of this weeks' events I thought.. The jury's still out on this one. Russian jet with Garmin (1)[^] Russian jet with Garmin (2)[^]
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I'm a little in two minds about this. On one hand, there is the false urban legend that the US spent millions trying to make a pen that would work in zero-g, while the Russians simply took pencils. On the other hand, is the record of the soviets when it comes to re-usable liquid-fuelled rocket technology. The ill-fated N1 project produced both engines and materials that far exceeded that which the US could come up with for at least another 20 years.(The russians acheived closed-cycle operation first, in which the exhaust from the turbo-pumps is fed back into the combustion chamber, rather than being dumped. They also devised a stainless steel alloy whose heat resistance was something to be admired) The Russians have a track record for a propensity to throw brain-power at a problem before they throw money at it. And so on, and so forth. All anecdotal at best, irrelevant at worst. Yesterday I read an article that claimed Russian war-planes are using commercially available consumer-grade GPS units. Staggered, I wrote off the claim as one made by anti-Russian trolls. I then found these two gems amongst the noise. Rather an interesting development in light of this weeks' events I thought.. The jury's still out on this one. Russian jet with Garmin (1)[^] Russian jet with Garmin (2)[^]
enhzflep wrote:
Russian war-planes are using commercially available consumer-grade GPS units
Hope they turn off the audio. Hearing "Get back on the nearest road" for hours would get old real quick. Cheers, Peter
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You may have as match laugh as you wish, but when the nuclear bombs start falling, I'm the one that will have the last laugh :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh, wait...
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I'm the one that will have the last laugh
No, you will be dead, unable to laugh. Just saying.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the Americans revolted against the British
Except that many of the "Americans" at that time were second or even first generation British.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Except that many of the "Americans" at that time were second or even first generation British.
:thumbsup:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
Yes. They would have been classed as terrorists in those times. But the word, like the world, has evolved since then. For example only a few decades ago Homosexuals were classed as Sexual Criminals on a par with rapists and paedophilles. Thankfully the world has evolved since then. The reason the Americans/British who rebelled are not seen as terrorists is because they won. To give it a British perspective, if Guy Fawkes had been successful, Nov 4th would be a Public Holiday where we would all feast on luxury food whilst receiving presents from our loved ones. Instead we stand in freezing cold rain watching shitty fireworks when we might aswell set fire to our wallet and toss it over the garden shed to achieve the same effect.
PompeyThree wrote:
Yes. They would have been classed as terrorists in those times. But the word, like the world, has evolved since then.
Anyone who fights a power we support is now classed as a terrorist for propaganda purposes because it is a more emotive word. Terrorism was invented by the French government against its own citizens, and is violence against civilians. Anyone who attacks the military of a country is a guerrilla, but that sounds more cuddly. The Taliban may have been a bunch of bastards, but we went in, nicked the country they were running, then when they had the audacity to fight back labelled them terrorists.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I'm the one that will have the last laugh
No, you will be dead, unable to laugh. Just saying.
I believe you missed his two last words.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Russia has them on the run? :sigh: Do you actually have any evidence (I'm disinclined to count Russian news outlets!) bearing in mind that the first Russian attacks somehow managed to miss IS targets altogether and hit Turkmen settlements instead. There's certainly a lot of people running when Russian aircraft come into Syria but given that Russian targeting technology is outdated and the motives for the attacks less than clear it's not necessarily the right people or for the right reasons. Turkey certainly has a lot to answer for in its relationship with IS but its being pissed off with Russia is a whole other can of worms.
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Troll turds, everywhere. :sigh:
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I don't know what Turkey is doing. Ambushing and killing Russian bomber for revenge and then hiding behind NATO's back is not a good thing to do. Not at all. What's next? Sinking China's frigate?
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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I think you can do what ever you need to do in your own country and ISIS today are not doing anything the French Resistance didn't do in the second world war. When you cross the border and blow other people up then you cross the line and become a terrorists. Kicking the British out was a good move, i'm with them all the way but now it is time to kick foriegn control of our bankers and politicians out, we are sheep to them, sub-human.
