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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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    AndrewDavie
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    I got network - but VPN was totally screwed. I spent hours trying to make it work, but in the end the only thing that worked was to 'Refresh' aka reset Win10 to blank slate and reinstall all my apps.

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      It's not that bad - if you think of it as Win 8 SP2. But then being "better than Win 8" isn't exactly much of a milestone. It works, normally. And provided you don't want to do anything complicated (like tell it what to actually do) the it's OK, if ugly. But as soon as anything goes wrong it turns back into Win8.0 with DOS 2 error messages and "ease of use". :sigh: Trouble is that I support a few people, and if I don't run it then I can't check what they are saying and have to drive over to see them and work it out there.

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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      jeffery c
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      Have you tried reinstalling from scratch/iso? I had a problem with the windows 10 upgrade once and downloaded the ISO at a relatives to be sure. I was right and it was a problem with the upgrade. P.S. As far as getting to IP settings did you right click the connection->network and sharing center? which shows a interface like the windows 7 one? I prefer that compared to the settings app non-sense. You have to use settings app for certain settings while most of the important ones are in network and sharing center.

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        Have you tried reinstalling from scratch/iso? I had a problem with the windows 10 upgrade once and downloaded the ISO at a relatives to be sure. I was right and it was a problem with the upgrade. P.S. As far as getting to IP settings did you right click the connection->network and sharing center? which shows a interface like the windows 7 one? I prefer that compared to the settings app non-sense. You have to use settings app for certain settings while most of the important ones are in network and sharing center.

        jeffery

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        jeffery c
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        In addition, the new visual studio ISO is so big that you might corrupt windows if you install incorrectly (at minimum a messed up registry and reinstall visual studio but worst case you need to reinstall windows). I was surprised how long the visual studio installation took.

        jeffery

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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          MikeTheFid
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          My laptop upgraded without incident to Win10 Pro from Win8.1 Pro months ago. The November update, however, killed my WiFi connection and I had to restore to the earlier version to get it back. The November update actually put my cable modem into a coma and killed it for everyone, not just my laptop. Once back at my earlier version, I upgraded the WiFi adapter driver and the same thing happened, I lost my WiFi due to the cable modem going into a coma again. I haven't tried to apply the November update again and then rollback the WiFi driver yet. That's next. The moral of the story may be that the issue doesn't lay with Win10 itself, but the concomitant driver updates.

          Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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            Middle Manager
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            Similar thing for me on Thursday - dead network after install. Fortunately all I had to do was to manually install an ethernet adapter (updated from a few weeks back). As a pessimist I'm still waiting for things to be broken but not yet, oddly enough.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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              Kirk 10389821
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              So, Yesterday, my daughter thinks she brook her Brand New Surface Book. The pen stopped working. The touch screen stopped working. Because I have 30+ years of computer experience, I suggest a full reboot. She complains that she rebooted JUST the day before. I suggest that she reboot, unless she does not need the Pen, or the touchscreen... But reboot early, reboot often, with a new Operating System, relatively new hardware. She rebooted, and found this update took FOREVER. She comes to me and says that she did not know it needed to install all of this. I suggested that "it knew", because it started breaking things to force the issue :-) [I am cynical enough to believe they may have done that on purpose!] A long time after the reboot (she opened an old laptop and started watching netflix), the computer finished, and all was good. BTW, we love the Surface Book. Great features... Windows 10... Not so much!

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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                Wynter Dragon
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                I have a brand new laptop that is doing something similar. I wonder if the update is the problem. For some reason the wifi just stops working. It works fine then it complains there is no internet and won't come back until I restart or at least go into sleep mode then back on. Already reinstalled the driver, but it's still occurring. :wtf:

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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                  patbob
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                  I'm totally confused. Didn't you sign up to be one of their beta testers by installing Windows 10. As a beta tester, you should expect these kinds of snafus. What's the big deal? Or are you saying you finally got around to installing some of your deferred updates and they hosed your system? I could totally understand why you'd be upset if that's what happened.

                  We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    how "together", how seamless

                    It's interesting, isn't it? I get what they tried to do, but they do need to bring things back completely under a single paradigm. And this does *not* mean bringing them all under a dumbed-down paradigm. The number of times I have to hunt down the network property dialog to fix things that the lame-as Network settings page just can't handle drives me nuts.

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    OriginalGriff
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                    And it's getting worse, not better - once-good apps are Win10ifying and becoming useless. I used to use VLC and it was excellent. So a clean install of the OS later, and I thought I'd try the latest version: vlc-for-windows-store[^] and it's useless! It's lost all the tools, keyboard operations, settings...and the display shows green bars where the old one didn't... Hello Mr Uninstaller...hello old version...

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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                      MikeD 2
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                      They did the same to me it prompted for the update at the end of the day so I boldly went, why not it is only another 3gb download... Morning: I would to restart, I have scheduled one but you could do it now if you like.... Shrugs: pressed "Restart Now" 2.75 hours later here is your newly upgraded windows except you have no network, tried to restore but no restore points before the install!!! uninstalled network card rebooted, base machine now has internet but not any of the Hyper V virtuals Reconfigured the first virtual and again got no internet access on the host machine Took another 4 hours to get all the virtuals happy with the network AND the host machine at the same time My (lack of) privacy settings all seem to have been reset in the upgrade as well I was impressed with the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, not quite so much with the upgrade from 10 to 10. Has anyone noticed any improvements? functional differences?

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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                        Murray Whipps
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                        Were you running a Home edition of the whatever OS you updated? If so, MS upgraded you to a Home version of Win 10. Nobody talks about it much but Win 10 Home is crippled when it comes to networks. It won't join a domain etc etc etc by design. FWIW.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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                          CarlAtCalibre
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                          They can move me to 10 when they pry 7 from cold, dead hands. 5 years from now, it will be called AdWin! windows with forced downloaded adds everywhere!! but it was free, so don't complain! I would rather pay for an operating system - not be given a spyware product. It's the begining of the end, mark my words.

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                          • D Daniel Pfeffer

                            Now you know how MS improved Security Essentials - if there's no internet connection, there are (almost) no viruses. :|

                            If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                            firegryphon
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                            But only (almost).

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                            • F firegryphon

                              But only (almost).

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                              Daniel Pfeffer
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                              Yes. You can still get them via an infected USB drive or some such.

                              If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                              • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                Yes. You can still get them via an infected USB drive or some such.

                                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                firegryphon
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                                Which sounds to me that there needs to be yet another patch to remove USB capability as well.

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                                • F firegryphon

                                  Which sounds to me that there needs to be yet another patch to remove USB capability as well.

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                                  Daniel Pfeffer
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                                  I'm sure they're working on it :)

                                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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