Windows 95/98
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
I'm with Jorgen, why, what possible business reason could there be to justify building a new app on win95! Some options VB6 Turbo Pascal (delphi) MS Access - get the version for the windows version Of these I think Access would be the quickest if you know VBA at all. None of these will upgrade!
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Turbo Pascal?
IIRC, Turbo Pascal for Windows only produced 16-bit applications.
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if you had a version of Visual Studio 6 around you might be able to get away with it
Both Visual C++ 6.0 and Visual Basic 6.0 will run on Windows 95 Visual C++: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/145669[^] Visual Basic: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/190775[^]
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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I would select a language that I know and choose an ancient toolset that supports Win9x. The newest Visual Studio that supports at least Win 98 is VS 2003. I'm not sure about Win 95 but it should work too. Otherwise you have to use version 6. Be prepared to setup a development system for those tools too. VS 2013 2003 may be only used with Win 7 with some dirty hacks.
:confused: I use VS 2013 Community Edition on Windows 7 every day. I've also run VS 2015 in the same environment. If you are referring to building applications for the WinStore (or some such), I haven't tried it yet.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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Thanks. Straightforward gui, file read, portable, deployment.
I would consider vbscript or jscript. They can both read files - GUI-wise it won't be easy but a scripting language will get you up and running quickly.
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:confused: I use VS 2013 Community Edition on Windows 7 every day. I've also run VS 2015 in the same environment. If you are referring to building applications for the WinStore (or some such), I haven't tried it yet.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Oops. It is a typo and should be 2003 like mentioned before. I will edit my post.
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
Franc Morales wrote:
what language, toolchain would you use?
Ancient Sumerian with stone tablets and chisels.
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
You might be able to dig up an old version of Watcom C . A lot of these oldies have gone open-source.
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
Raw Win32 API, on C. Petzold's 'Programming Windows, 1996' on this[^] page was a nice book for this. Sample source code is referenced there. Any version of Visual Studio should work, I feel. For example, on my machine, this is the C compiler location and name: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\bin\cl.exe You need a makefile to do the compilation and linking.
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I would select a language that I know and choose an ancient toolset that supports Win9x. The newest Visual Studio that supports at least Win 98 is VS 2003. I'm not sure about Win 95 but it should work too. Otherwise you have to use version 6. Be prepared to setup a development system for those tools too. VS 2013 2003 may be only used with Win 7 with some dirty hacks.
Jochen Arndt wrote:
VS 2013 2003 may be only used with Win 7 with some dirty hacks.
Hrmmm. The only issue I remember from the last time I installed it on my W7 system was that I had to explicitly use run as administrator to install the service pack. :doh:
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
Well, that version of Windows is so ancient, I think stone carving would be appropriate.
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Jochen Arndt wrote:
VS 2013 2003 may be only used with Win 7 with some dirty hacks.
Hrmmm. The only issue I remember from the last time I installed it on my W7 system was that I had to explicitly use run as administrator to install the service pack. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
I'm still using it sometimes to build apps for old Windows versions. The problems are not the installation but the usage: The IDE must be run as administrator. The IDE locks when searching in all files or executing external tools. Searching in all files will work when disabling visual designs. When running an app using the debugger, the PDB file is not closed so that the next build will fail because the file is locked. Then it must be closed manually using the SysInternal tool ProcessExplorer (optionally the command line program handle.exe from that tool).
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
What UI would you prefer? Given the terms "simple" I'd assume a Console-application. Then again, W95 would be overkill. If it is some application that is fed data by the user and which is queried by the user, I'd go for a modern Windows Server and write an MVC5 application. You're probably referring to dekstop apps though; in that case I'd recommend Delphi. Any version between from 2 up to 7 will be fine. Since you said toolchain, I'm gonna assume you need a database. Question for you again, do you want a local database (as used in caching for example) or a multi-user database that can be queried from multiple locations by multiple users simultaneously? For a local cache I'd point to SQLite or MS-JET, for multiple users I'd go for Sql Express or Interbase. Does your toolchain need to include reporting? If you already chosen a local database, than Access would be a nice match. Otherwise I'd suggest a separation, an extra layer; create a system that returns the data in XML format that you want to base your report on. Next, create a report based on that dataset. Decouple your reporting-engine from your application :) Any tool I missed?
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
I hear Win 3.1 is pretty awesome too. You should try that.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm still using it sometimes to build apps for old Windows versions. The problems are not the installation but the usage: The IDE must be run as administrator. The IDE locks when searching in all files or executing external tools. Searching in all files will work when disabling visual designs. When running an app using the debugger, the PDB file is not closed so that the next build will fail because the file is locked. Then it must be closed manually using the SysInternal tool ProcessExplorer (optionally the command line program handle.exe from that tool).
Jochen Arndt wrote:
The IDE must be run as administrator.
Is this another C++ problem? My C#/Winforms app runs fine without admin.
Jochen Arndt wrote:
The IDE locks when searching in all files or executing external tools. Searching in all files will work when disabling visual designs.
Never ran into this before. At least for .net, it looks like it only freezes if the designer is the open file. Search all works without disabling anything if a code file is being viewed. My postbuild event includes using
copyto make sure test data is in place; that also works fine. C++ only problem, or running an external tool from a different point in the process....Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Jochen Arndt wrote:
The IDE must be run as administrator.
Is this another C++ problem? My C#/Winforms app runs fine without admin.
Jochen Arndt wrote:
The IDE locks when searching in all files or executing external tools. Searching in all files will work when disabling visual designs.
Never ran into this before. At least for .net, it looks like it only freezes if the designer is the open file. Search all works without disabling anything if a code file is being viewed. My postbuild event includes using
copyto make sure test data is in place; that also works fine. C++ only problem, or running an external tool from a different point in the process....Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
Is this another C++ problem? My C#/Winforms app runs fine without admin.
I'm using it only for C++. I made a note about the fixes after I installed it many years ago. I found the solutions by web research because the problems where well known.
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If you had to develop a relatively simple application for Windows 95/98 what language, toolchain would you use? Thank you all.
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I hear Win 3.1 is pretty awesome too. You should try that.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Win 3.1
How-To-Geek published an article on installing it to a VM (using the original floppies would you believe) only this year. Am I missing out on a trend?
UIs have gone retro, so I suppose it only makes sense to have the OS be retro too.
Jeremy Falcon
