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  • F F ES Sitecore

    Because I'm a software developer people think I can install their new RAM, set-up their printer, or rid their machine of viruses. It's a funny old world :)

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    W Balboos GHB
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    I usually explain that to people in by asking if the last time they wanted to have their teeth cleaned the went to a proctologist.* * meant on multiple levels of inuendo

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

    "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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    • W W Balboos GHB

      I usually explain that to people in by asking if the last time they wanted to have their teeth cleaned the went to a proctologist.* * meant on multiple levels of inuendo

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      :thumbsup:

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      • F F ES Sitecore

        Because I'm a software developer people think I can install their new RAM, set-up their printer, or rid their machine of viruses. It's a funny old world :)

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        dandy72
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        F-ES Sitecore wrote:

        Because I'm a software developer people think I can install their new RAM, set-up their printer, or rid their machine of viruses.

        Can, yes; willing, not so much.

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          xkcd: Magnus[^] Lot of times people think that just because I'm a software developer I'm good at chess too (I'm not that bad, but definitely not that good)... And seeing XKCD I was wondering why chess is so interesting after all these years... My guess - the (almost) endless number of variations of games...

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Ah, chess... I think about it once in a while. Remember this question from October? The Lounge - CodeProject[^] I think of it this way: 0) There are sixty-four spaces on a chess board 1) Each space may be unoccupied or occupied by one token (I'll try not to say "piece") 2) There are six types of token: King, Queen, Bishop, Knight, Rook/Castle, Pawn 3) There are two colors of token: Black, White (usually) 4) That makes twelve distinct token values, plus we can use a "null" token to represent an empty space, for a total of thirteen values I chess position can therefore be reduced to a sixty-four digit base-13 value. Windows calculator calculates 13^64 as 1.9605347643076107333065976042357e+71 . A great many such values will not represent a valid chess position. So all you need to do is enumerate from zero to 1.9605347643076107333065976042357e+71, eliminate the invalid values and determine a pair of "best next position" values (one for black, one for white), and store them. Then during a game, a simple look-up is all that is needed to select your move. It becomes boring really; hardly any challenge at all. Here's what I wrote in October; this is the hard part:

          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Chess piece definition")]
          public enum Piece
          {
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("No piece, empty square")]
          None = 0
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece has a special or limiting movement rule")]
          SpecialMask = 1
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece can move only in ranks or files")]
          OrthogonalMask = 2
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece can move diagonally")]
          DiagonalMask = 4
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Black chess piece")]
          BlackMask = 8
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Knight")]
          Knight = 1
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Rook")]
          Rook = 2
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Pawn")]
          Pawn = 3
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Bishop")]
          Bishop = 4
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Queen")]
          Queen = 6
          ,
          [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("King")]
          King = 7
          }

          :wtf:

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            xkcd: Magnus[^] Lot of times people think that just because I'm a software developer I'm good at chess too (I'm not that bad, but definitely not that good)... And seeing XKCD I was wondering why chess is so interesting after all these years... My guess - the (almost) endless number of variations of games...

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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            Nueman
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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

            the (almost) endless number of variations of games

            Relax and play[^]

            What we got here is a failure to communicate

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Ah, chess... I think about it once in a while. Remember this question from October? The Lounge - CodeProject[^] I think of it this way: 0) There are sixty-four spaces on a chess board 1) Each space may be unoccupied or occupied by one token (I'll try not to say "piece") 2) There are six types of token: King, Queen, Bishop, Knight, Rook/Castle, Pawn 3) There are two colors of token: Black, White (usually) 4) That makes twelve distinct token values, plus we can use a "null" token to represent an empty space, for a total of thirteen values I chess position can therefore be reduced to a sixty-four digit base-13 value. Windows calculator calculates 13^64 as 1.9605347643076107333065976042357e+71 . A great many such values will not represent a valid chess position. So all you need to do is enumerate from zero to 1.9605347643076107333065976042357e+71, eliminate the invalid values and determine a pair of "best next position" values (one for black, one for white), and store them. Then during a game, a simple look-up is all that is needed to select your move. It becomes boring really; hardly any challenge at all. Here's what I wrote in October; this is the hard part:

              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Chess piece definition")]
              public enum Piece
              {
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("No piece, empty square")]
              None = 0
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece has a special or limiting movement rule")]
              SpecialMask = 1
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece can move only in ranks or files")]
              OrthogonalMask = 2
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece can move diagonally")]
              DiagonalMask = 4
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Black chess piece")]
              BlackMask = 8
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Knight")]
              Knight = 1
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Rook")]
              Rook = 2
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Pawn")]
              Pawn = 3
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Bishop")]
              Bishop = 4
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Queen")]
              Queen = 6
              ,
              [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("King")]
              King = 7
              }

              :wtf:

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              Actually all chess programs are combining two things... 1. Basic knowledge of the chess rules 2. A lookup of pr-recorded strategies (for opening, play and end-play separately in most cases) The reason for that is that there is on really best-move for most parts of the game...Chess is not only about moving the pieces around but to build a defense/offense strategy that will provide you not only with small victories but winning the war too... There is a few estimates of the number of possible chess games (between 10^50 to 10^120) and they say there is more chess games than atoms in the universe (which of course has no base and only effective as a way to tell that there are unimaginably large number of games)...

              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

              "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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              • D dandy72

                F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                Because I'm a software developer people think I can install their new RAM, set-up their printer, or rid their machine of viruses.

                Can, yes; willing, not so much.

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                F ES Sitecore
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                Shhhhhh....keep that to yourself ;)

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  Ah, chess... I think about it once in a while. Remember this question from October? The Lounge - CodeProject[^] I think of it this way: 0) There are sixty-four spaces on a chess board 1) Each space may be unoccupied or occupied by one token (I'll try not to say "piece") 2) There are six types of token: King, Queen, Bishop, Knight, Rook/Castle, Pawn 3) There are two colors of token: Black, White (usually) 4) That makes twelve distinct token values, plus we can use a "null" token to represent an empty space, for a total of thirteen values I chess position can therefore be reduced to a sixty-four digit base-13 value. Windows calculator calculates 13^64 as 1.9605347643076107333065976042357e+71 . A great many such values will not represent a valid chess position. So all you need to do is enumerate from zero to 1.9605347643076107333065976042357e+71, eliminate the invalid values and determine a pair of "best next position" values (one for black, one for white), and store them. Then during a game, a simple look-up is all that is needed to select your move. It becomes boring really; hardly any challenge at all. Here's what I wrote in October; this is the hard part:

                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Chess piece definition")]
                  public enum Piece
                  {
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("No piece, empty square")]
                  None = 0
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece has a special or limiting movement rule")]
                  SpecialMask = 1
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece can move only in ranks or files")]
                  OrthogonalMask = 2
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece can move diagonally")]
                  DiagonalMask = 4
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Black chess piece")]
                  BlackMask = 8
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Knight")]
                  Knight = 1
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Rook")]
                  Rook = 2
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Pawn")]
                  Pawn = 3
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Bishop")]
                  Bishop = 4
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Queen")]
                  Queen = 6
                  ,
                  [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("King")]
                  King = 7
                  }

                  :wtf:

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                  H Brydon
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                  Your analysis doesn't allow for en passant or "You can/can't castle"...

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                  • H H Brydon

                    Your analysis doesn't allow for en passant or "You can/can't castle"...

                    I'm retired. There's a nap for that... - Harvey

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Yes it does: [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece has a special or limiting movement rule")] SpecialMask = 1 Knight, King, and Pawn all have that Flag.

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                    • N Nueman

                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                      the (almost) endless number of variations of games

                      Relax and play[^]

                      What we got here is a failure to communicate

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      How about a nice game of chess?

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Yes it does: [System.ComponentModel.DescriptionAttribute("Piece has a special or limiting movement rule")] SpecialMask = 1 Knight, King, and Pawn all have that Flag.

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                        H Brydon
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                        Having the flag doesn't complete the problem. The state of a board position needs to include whether an en passant move or a rook/king move has recently or already taken place. Just knowing that a move could have taken place doesn't work. [... not sure what you mean about knight. I think you meant rook.]

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                        • H H Brydon

                          Having the flag doesn't complete the problem. The state of a board position needs to include whether an en passant move or a rook/king move has recently or already taken place. Just knowing that a move could have taken place doesn't work. [... not sure what you mean about knight. I think you meant rook.]

                          I'm retired. There's a nap for that... - Harvey

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Pfft. That's details. I meant Knight. Rooks have nothing special other than being at the mercy of the King during a castling move. The goal of that exercise was merely to assign 4-bit values to the tokens in a "logical" manner. I have no ambition to implement the system as described.

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