Many newcomers to CP QA experience ...
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A warm welcome: [^]. (.gif file, SFW&K) First, a down-vote within five minutes of their post. Then a comment that often suggests the OP is mentally-challenged in some way. And, then, within fifteen minutes, either a sermon on homework posted as solution, or a solution that may/may-not have some relevance to the OP's concerns no matter the fact they have not yet answered questions in more serious comments that are really necessary to make any educated guess as to what the question is about. However, lest I give a too hellish flaneur's perspective: within the chthonic technical darkness of this nether-realm, certain angelic presences float, touching with light the dark corners of the mysteries of Linq and ASP, and other demi-urgic entities that must only be referred to by their initials. I dare name a few: OriginalGriff, Richard MacCutchan, Richard Deeming, Sascha Lefevre, Mika Wendelius, but, there are more. Yep, it's just like the real world.
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
I'm very twisted on this matter. While I do restrain myself from posting unfriendly comments and not-really-solutions even when it really itches I can often relate when I see someone else doing that. Not in every case of course and I don't know what "the final trigger" for your message was. So the remainder here might be more of a general rant. There are that many "questions" from people who obviously are too bone-idle to read the manual or to google and barefaced enough at the same time thinking they can find a mug here, doing their work for them. I'm not expecting questions of a quality like on StackOverflow in Q&A but it's not even on the same scale. If someone is looking for help he should treat those who he's asking with some respect and that should include trying on his own first, googling and then making some effort in writing his question in a way that it can be understood easily. Failing all that there should be some measure to show him that his message is more of an insult than a question.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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I'm very twisted on this matter. While I do restrain myself from posting unfriendly comments and not-really-solutions even when it really itches I can often relate when I see someone else doing that. Not in every case of course and I don't know what "the final trigger" for your message was. So the remainder here might be more of a general rant. There are that many "questions" from people who obviously are too bone-idle to read the manual or to google and barefaced enough at the same time thinking they can find a mug here, doing their work for them. I'm not expecting questions of a quality like on StackOverflow in Q&A but it's not even on the same scale. If someone is looking for help he should treat those who he's asking with some respect and that should include trying on his own first, googling and then making some effort in writing his question in a way that it can be understood easily. Failing all that there should be some measure to show him that his message is more of an insult than a question.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
Yes, but at the same time the "show him that his message is more of an insult than a question" should be posted as a comment; not as a solution. Similarly; when a poster asks about doing
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A warm welcome: [^]. (.gif file, SFW&K) First, a down-vote within five minutes of their post. Then a comment that often suggests the OP is mentally-challenged in some way. And, then, within fifteen minutes, either a sermon on homework posted as solution, or a solution that may/may-not have some relevance to the OP's concerns no matter the fact they have not yet answered questions in more serious comments that are really necessary to make any educated guess as to what the question is about. However, lest I give a too hellish flaneur's perspective: within the chthonic technical darkness of this nether-realm, certain angelic presences float, touching with light the dark corners of the mysteries of Linq and ASP, and other demi-urgic entities that must only be referred to by their initials. I dare name a few: OriginalGriff, Richard MacCutchan, Richard Deeming, Sascha Lefevre, Mika Wendelius, but, there are more. Yep, it's just like the real world.
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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A warm welcome: [^]. (.gif file, SFW&K) First, a down-vote within five minutes of their post. Then a comment that often suggests the OP is mentally-challenged in some way. And, then, within fifteen minutes, either a sermon on homework posted as solution, or a solution that may/may-not have some relevance to the OP's concerns no matter the fact they have not yet answered questions in more serious comments that are really necessary to make any educated guess as to what the question is about. However, lest I give a too hellish flaneur's perspective: within the chthonic technical darkness of this nether-realm, certain angelic presences float, touching with light the dark corners of the mysteries of Linq and ASP, and other demi-urgic entities that must only be referred to by their initials. I dare name a few: OriginalGriff, Richard MacCutchan, Richard Deeming, Sascha Lefevre, Mika Wendelius, but, there are more. Yep, it's just like the real world.
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
Since being polite and trying to people have always been my goals I really would appreciate if you could explain why the posts seem offensive or make the OP feel bad in some other way? Nevermind my original post, I completely misunderstood Bill's post. Thank you for your kind words!
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A warm welcome: [^]. (.gif file, SFW&K) First, a down-vote within five minutes of their post. Then a comment that often suggests the OP is mentally-challenged in some way. And, then, within fifteen minutes, either a sermon on homework posted as solution, or a solution that may/may-not have some relevance to the OP's concerns no matter the fact they have not yet answered questions in more serious comments that are really necessary to make any educated guess as to what the question is about. However, lest I give a too hellish flaneur's perspective: within the chthonic technical darkness of this nether-realm, certain angelic presences float, touching with light the dark corners of the mysteries of Linq and ASP, and other demi-urgic entities that must only be referred to by their initials. I dare name a few: OriginalGriff, Richard MacCutchan, Richard Deeming, Sascha Lefevre, Mika Wendelius, but, there are more. Yep, it's just like the real world.
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
No, I'm sorry, you can't name and shame without pointing out how and where they supposedly have erred. That simply isn't fair! :| <edit>It seems I have misunderstood. Sorry about that.</edit>
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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No, I'm sorry, you can't name and shame without pointing out how and where they supposedly have erred. That simply isn't fair! :| <edit>It seems I have misunderstood. Sorry about that.</edit>
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Being a non-native speaker I have difficulty in following some of Bill's ornate statements but I think here the persons he named are those who are not being adressed by his first paragraph.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Being a non-native speaker I have difficulty in following some of Bill's ornate statements but I think here the persons he named are those who are not being adressed by his first paragraph.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
If that's the case, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that misunderstood. :doh:
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Being a non-native speaker I have difficulty in following some of Bill's ornate statements but I think here the persons he named are those who are not being adressed by his first paragraph.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
After having reread the op three times, I believe I have to agree with you. Ornate is a good word BTW. There are so many frills to the sentence that the meaning gets lost in the squiggles. :-\
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Since being polite and trying to people have always been my goals I really would appreciate if you could explain why the posts seem offensive or make the OP feel bad in some other way? Nevermind my original post, I completely misunderstood Bill's post. Thank you for your kind words!
Not to worry, Mika, you are angelic :) cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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Being a non-native speaker I have difficulty in following some of Bill's ornate statements but I think here the persons he named are those who are not being adressed by his first paragraph.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
Ah, Sascha, sorry about that; I get to drinking my hot soy-milk with palm-tree sugar late at night, and get a bit carried away. Vocabulary may be the only thing I've got going for me. I respect your helpful efforts in QA ! cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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After having reread the op three times, I believe I have to agree with you. Ornate is a good word BTW. There are so many frills to the sentence that the meaning gets lost in the squiggles. :-\
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Sorry about that, Jorgen. Will try to keep it less baroque. cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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Not to worry, Mika, you are angelic :) cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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Sorry about that, Jorgen. Will try to keep it less baroque. cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
No worries, I'm the one that should excuse myself for drawing to fast conclusions, when my English simply failed me.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Ah, Sascha, sorry about that; I get to drinking my hot soy-milk with palm-tree sugar late at night, and get a bit carried away. Vocabulary may be the only thing I've got going for me. I respect your helpful efforts in QA ! cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
No worries, Bill, I got it eventually and it's fun to get my English skills challenged :D
BillWoodruff wrote:
I respect your helpful efforts in QA !
Not an awful lot, lately, but thank you. After returning from my break I'm having the impression that the topics of questions have moved away from my expertise.
BillWoodruff wrote:
Vocabulary may be the only thing I've got going for me.
That's not the case! cheers, Sascha
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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No worries, Bill, I got it eventually and it's fun to get my English skills challenged :D
BillWoodruff wrote:
I respect your helpful efforts in QA !
Not an awful lot, lately, but thank you. After returning from my break I'm having the impression that the topics of questions have moved away from my expertise.
BillWoodruff wrote:
Vocabulary may be the only thing I've got going for me.
That's not the case! cheers, Sascha
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
Sascha Lefèvre wrote:
my English skills challenged
Bill can certainly do that.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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A warm welcome: [^]. (.gif file, SFW&K) First, a down-vote within five minutes of their post. Then a comment that often suggests the OP is mentally-challenged in some way. And, then, within fifteen minutes, either a sermon on homework posted as solution, or a solution that may/may-not have some relevance to the OP's concerns no matter the fact they have not yet answered questions in more serious comments that are really necessary to make any educated guess as to what the question is about. However, lest I give a too hellish flaneur's perspective: within the chthonic technical darkness of this nether-realm, certain angelic presences float, touching with light the dark corners of the mysteries of Linq and ASP, and other demi-urgic entities that must only be referred to by their initials. I dare name a few: OriginalGriff, Richard MacCutchan, Richard Deeming, Sascha Lefevre, Mika Wendelius, but, there are more. Yep, it's just like the real world.
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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I do try to give posters the benefit of the doubt. But when I see a question like "Please send college registration source code", or "My thesis is due tomorrow, please give solution", I do have a faint urge to scream.
If they post anything like that, there is no doubt anymore.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Yes, but at the same time the "show him that his message is more of an insult than a question" should be posted as a comment; not as a solution. Similarly; when a poster asks about doing
X, a response of "try doingYinstead" is not a solution and should be posted as a comment/question.There are poor questions and poor answers - you have pointed out one category of the latter. Unfortunately it leads to new "contributors" taking the lead from old hands especially when they see these cut and pasted homilies upvoted by the attendant acolytes.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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A warm welcome: [^]. (.gif file, SFW&K) First, a down-vote within five minutes of their post. Then a comment that often suggests the OP is mentally-challenged in some way. And, then, within fifteen minutes, either a sermon on homework posted as solution, or a solution that may/may-not have some relevance to the OP's concerns no matter the fact they have not yet answered questions in more serious comments that are really necessary to make any educated guess as to what the question is about. However, lest I give a too hellish flaneur's perspective: within the chthonic technical darkness of this nether-realm, certain angelic presences float, touching with light the dark corners of the mysteries of Linq and ASP, and other demi-urgic entities that must only be referred to by their initials. I dare name a few: OriginalGriff, Richard MacCutchan, Richard Deeming, Sascha Lefevre, Mika Wendelius, but, there are more. Yep, it's just like the real world.
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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There are poor questions and poor answers - you have pointed out one category of the latter. Unfortunately it leads to new "contributors" taking the lead from old hands especially when they see these cut and pasted homilies upvoted by the attendant acolytes.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
Exactly.