Before Visual Studio Community Edition : all those leftovers
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Before the VStudio Community edition released you had to install 3 different VStudio products to get all of the project types. It was crazy. Finally, I installed VStudio 2013* Community which seemed to do everything but I never uninstalled all those other products. Now, I'm going through and uninstalling Visual Studio Express 2013 For Web Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows (EDIT: uninstall has been running for 20 minutes still not done) Can't believe how slow the uninstall is. I'm glad Microsoft finally brought these all back together again. *I know, Community 2015 is available, but that's another crazy thing. Looks like you can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately.
Visual Studio has become so bloated it's unreal.
Jeremy Falcon
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Before the VStudio Community edition released you had to install 3 different VStudio products to get all of the project types. It was crazy. Finally, I installed VStudio 2013* Community which seemed to do everything but I never uninstalled all those other products. Now, I'm going through and uninstalling Visual Studio Express 2013 For Web Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows (EDIT: uninstall has been running for 20 minutes still not done) Can't believe how slow the uninstall is. I'm glad Microsoft finally brought these all back together again. *I know, Community 2015 is available, but that's another crazy thing. Looks like you can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately.
Ok, I am curious: Can you add plugins like the Windows Installer XML (WiX) to the Community Edition? What about Microsoft's Ribbon plug-in? I have no use for it, if the answer is negative. I suppose the 2015 versions of VS are still native 32bit apps, not 64? Later edit: See this thread: [^]
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Visual Studio has become so bloated it's unreal.
Jeremy Falcon
Unreal is actually still a separate installation :D
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Visual Studio has become so bloated it's unreal.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Visual Studio has become so bloated it's unreal.
I know and it's unfortunate that installing a new version just leaves the old versions out there. Well, I guess they could say it is for compatibility reasons. Anyways, the Desktop version is still uninstalling and the progress bar hasn't moved even though it's been like 35 minutes or something.
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Visual Studio has become so bloated it's unreal.
Jeremy Falcon
Really? VS2015 Enterprise Update 1 takes up 218MB on my machine. Around 1GB with all the web packages. I agree it got a ton of bloat in the past. But this new update is super slick!
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Ok, I am curious: Can you add plugins like the Windows Installer XML (WiX) to the Community Edition? What about Microsoft's Ribbon plug-in? I have no use for it, if the answer is negative. I suppose the 2015 versions of VS are still native 32bit apps, not 64? Later edit: See this thread: [^]
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
I just looked for a project using WiX installer and couldn't find anything in community 2015. Maybe there is some way to get it but it doesn't look like it from my initial search. Also, I can't tell if it's native 64 bit version or not. Installed on a 2014 R2 server 64 bit vm but I just can't tell if Community 2015 is true 64 bit or not. Very difficult to tell. Looks like it is installed under Program Files (x86) though. I built a winform as 64 bit and tried debugging and it allowed it so maybe that is fixed, not sure.
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Really? VS2015 Enterprise Update 1 takes up 218MB on my machine. Around 1GB with all the web packages. I agree it got a ton of bloat in the past. But this new update is super slick!
When all is said and done, even MS says it takes up about 10GB[^]. That's like 3-4 times more than Windows itself, and for what? It's not media intensive, like a video game would be... it's a fancy text editor that can be slow (try working with XAML) with a compiler or three behind it. It's bloated.
Jeremy Falcon
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Before the VStudio Community edition released you had to install 3 different VStudio products to get all of the project types. It was crazy. Finally, I installed VStudio 2013* Community which seemed to do everything but I never uninstalled all those other products. Now, I'm going through and uninstalling Visual Studio Express 2013 For Web Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows (EDIT: uninstall has been running for 20 minutes still not done) Can't believe how slow the uninstall is. I'm glad Microsoft finally brought these all back together again. *I know, Community 2015 is available, but that's another crazy thing. Looks like you can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately.
I expect that still doesn't include SSDT and SSDTBI -- correct me if I'm wrong. Regardless, why would anyone want "everything"? At work, I have VS 2012 Ultimate. I do only a very small amount of WinForms development in C#. I mostly do SSIS, which means adding SSDTBI. Also we use TFS. Everything else included in VS Ultimate is wasted on me. I could probably use VS Express with SSDTBI and access TFS only through the command line and Shell Extensions (or whatever they're called) -- I already have my own console utilities to do certain things in TFS via the API.
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I just looked for a project using WiX installer and couldn't find anything in community 2015. Maybe there is some way to get it but it doesn't look like it from my initial search. Also, I can't tell if it's native 64 bit version or not. Installed on a 2014 R2 server 64 bit vm but I just can't tell if Community 2015 is true 64 bit or not. Very difficult to tell. Looks like it is installed under Program Files (x86) though. I built a winform as 64 bit and tried debugging and it allowed it so maybe that is fixed, not sure.
Thanks for your response. To add WiX functionality in the past, you needed at least the Pro version of VS. That probably still applies - A pity. I don't think any versions of VS are native 64bit apps. Yes, they can build 64 bit apps, but the VS engines themselves have always been 32 bit.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Ok, I am curious: Can you add plugins like the Windows Installer XML (WiX) to the Community Edition? What about Microsoft's Ribbon plug-in? I have no use for it, if the answer is negative. I suppose the 2015 versions of VS are still native 32bit apps, not 64? Later edit: See this thread: [^]
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Probably, it's close to the same as Professional, most obvious difference is the omission of TFS support. Comparison chart here[^].
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Before the VStudio Community edition released you had to install 3 different VStudio products to get all of the project types. It was crazy. Finally, I installed VStudio 2013* Community which seemed to do everything but I never uninstalled all those other products. Now, I'm going through and uninstalling Visual Studio Express 2013 For Web Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows (EDIT: uninstall has been running for 20 minutes still not done) Can't believe how slow the uninstall is. I'm glad Microsoft finally brought these all back together again. *I know, Community 2015 is available, but that's another crazy thing. Looks like you can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately.
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You trust the various VS uninstallers to properly clean up after themselves? All the different versions of VS I still need to hang on to go in a separate VM. Cleanup doesn't get any easier than that.
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Probably, it's close to the same as Professional, most obvious difference is the omission of TFS support. Comparison chart here[^].
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
I cannot find any reference to the Windows Installer on the chart. I have also tried Google, but cannot find a direct answer to my simple question: "Can I add the Windows Installer XML (Wix) to the Community Edition of Visual Studio 2015?" If any one knows the answer, please let us know. It's kind of important to me. In previous versions of VS you had to have at least the Pro version for this plug-in. I do not want to go through the whole rigmarole of installing VS 2015 Community Edition, just to find that I cannot have WiX!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Before the VStudio Community edition released you had to install 3 different VStudio products to get all of the project types. It was crazy. Finally, I installed VStudio 2013* Community which seemed to do everything but I never uninstalled all those other products. Now, I'm going through and uninstalling Visual Studio Express 2013 For Web Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows (EDIT: uninstall has been running for 20 minutes still not done) Can't believe how slow the uninstall is. I'm glad Microsoft finally brought these all back together again. *I know, Community 2015 is available, but that's another crazy thing. Looks like you can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately.
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In my company I have an old PC which is now surviving the VS 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2012. With all its "updates" and "service packs" it is a mess in the software settings :mad:
Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany
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Before the VStudio Community edition released you had to install 3 different VStudio products to get all of the project types. It was crazy. Finally, I installed VStudio 2013* Community which seemed to do everything but I never uninstalled all those other products. Now, I'm going through and uninstalling Visual Studio Express 2013 For Web Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows (EDIT: uninstall has been running for 20 minutes still not done) Can't believe how slow the uninstall is. I'm glad Microsoft finally brought these all back together again. *I know, Community 2015 is available, but that's another crazy thing. Looks like you can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately.
can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately
That's not true. You can't upgrade vs2013 to vs2015 neither do you have to uninstall vs2013 to install vs2015. They are totally separate products. Same with older version. They work parallelly without interference.
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In my company I have an old PC which is now surviving the VS 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2012. With all its "updates" and "service packs" it is a mess in the software settings :mad:
Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany
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can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately
That's not true. You can't upgrade vs2013 to vs2015 neither do you have to uninstall vs2013 to install vs2015. They are totally separate products. Same with older version. They work parallelly without interference.
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right. separate products. Imagine if your web browser were the same way. You'd have 629 versions of Chrome on your machine. :D
Separate products, yes. Common dependencies, also true. Plenty of common settings in the registry? Take a guess. Do you think there exists any third party dependencies that does not work with both versions at the same time? So while you really can have several versions on your computer, the older ones tend to not work as advertised anymore IMHO. The new ones neither now that I think of it. My recommendation would always be a reinstall of the computer if you want to have a newer version of VS.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Separate products, yes. Common dependencies, also true. Plenty of common settings in the registry? Take a guess. Do you think there exists any third party dependencies that does not work with both versions at the same time? So while you really can have several versions on your computer, the older ones tend to not work as advertised anymore IMHO. The new ones neither now that I think of it. My recommendation would always be a reinstall of the computer if you want to have a newer version of VS.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
