Windows 10 is now going to be a Recommended Update
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We aren't really whining. We need other versions of Windows for development, forcefully installing Windows 10 or hogging disk space and bandwidth with huge downloads isn't exactly helping us work.
Indivara wrote:
, forcefully installing Windows 10
It's the way companies are going though. Google Chrome, for example, auto updates. I know it's not an OS, but doesn't Android and Chrome OS auto update? In fact, Microsoft now only supports IE11 and Edge, I believe. It used to be that they supported several versions back. Those times seem to be changing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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We aren't really whining. We need other versions of Windows for development, forcefully installing Windows 10 or hogging disk space and bandwidth with huge downloads isn't exactly helping us work.
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RyanDev wrote:
Too much whining about this topic. :~
Yup, indeedy, yes siree, Bob! The funny thing is how they've all forgotten the similar outpourings of despite that occurred, quite possibly from themselves, when XP came in and then again when W7 replaced it. I wonder how many of those who now laugh uproariously at people still using VB6 and XP were among those who took more than a year to adopt .Net and W7?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
My memory is that when XP came out people seemed happy, when Windows 7 came out people cheered that Vista had been replaced by something way better.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I must be lucky. 0 issues with Windows 10 (and yes, I AM using it.) Too much whining about this topic. :~ Many of those complaining are Microsoft developers. So, do something about it. :^)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Too much whining about this topic.
I agree, but there are businesses that haven't vetted Windows 10 against internal apps yet, such as ours. Just letting Windows 10 install, without due research and testing would be retarded. I'm glad you have "0" issues, but I assure you that you are an exception to the case. If you don't mind me asking, do you do IT/Software for a living or just a hobby? Student? Where a fucked up install really wouldn't matter so much...reason why I ask. -- Cheers
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RyanDev wrote:
Too much whining about this topic.
I agree, but there are businesses that haven't vetted Windows 10 against internal apps yet, such as ours. Just letting Windows 10 install, without due research and testing would be retarded. I'm glad you have "0" issues, but I assure you that you are an exception to the case. If you don't mind me asking, do you do IT/Software for a living or just a hobby? Student? Where a fucked up install really wouldn't matter so much...reason why I ask. -- Cheers
Slacker007 wrote:
do you do IT/Software for a living or just a hobby
I do web development so mostly concerned with how IIS runs and the browser. But so far Edge (win 10's browser) works mostly like chrome. And chrome often changes things without much notice so I do have to keep up with that. For me, in the long run, it's easier keeping up with the latest version than trying to support 12 different versions of browsers. I'm not saying your complaints are not valid.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Indivara wrote:
, forcefully installing Windows 10
It's the way companies are going though. Google Chrome, for example, auto updates. I know it's not an OS, but doesn't Android and Chrome OS auto update? In fact, Microsoft now only supports IE11 and Edge, I believe. It used to be that they supported several versions back. Those times seem to be changing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
doesn't Android and Chrome OS auto update?
I switched off auto-update on my Android device after the newest update bricked the phone - I had to send the phone off to get it fixed as it kept cycling making it impossible for me to get into any mode in order to revert the OS.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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My memory is that when XP came out people seemed happy, when Windows 7 came out people cheered that Vista had been replaced by something way better.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Since the old times I learned to uncheck everything and Do not check for updates. If and when something stops working / needs an update I'll check them and install the bare minimum. Who remembers Sasser?
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey If a coffee bean is between the Earth and the Sun, is it a Java Eclipse? -- Sascha Lefèvre /xml>
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Because I don't want to be notified, nor I want it to look for updates. It must shut up - both towards me and towards the extern. It has to speak when it's spoken to.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey If a coffee bean is between the Earth and the Sun, is it a Java Eclipse? -- Sascha Lefèvre /xml>
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Seriously? First they infuriated a million users by surreptitiously downloading it, in case we suddenly felt like upgrading, and now they are actually going to *install* it automatically? The only good thing is Windows 7 Enterprise won't be affected, so my work machine should be safe for now. I don't mind using it, in fact I do have it at home but I object to having it shoved forcefully up my... I mean down my throat.
Dont worry, they'll only try shoving it down your throat after failing to shove it up your ... ;P
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Slacker007 wrote:
do you do IT/Software for a living or just a hobby
I do web development so mostly concerned with how IIS runs and the browser. But so far Edge (win 10's browser) works mostly like chrome. And chrome often changes things without much notice so I do have to keep up with that. For me, in the long run, it's easier keeping up with the latest version than trying to support 12 different versions of browsers. I'm not saying your complaints are not valid.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
That makes a lot of sense for you, and, presumably, most other web developers, too. It still doesn't change that other devs want a reliable, stable system. Windows 10 is anything but right now. Maybe it will be in a year or so. Even worse, upgrading an existing Windows installation to W10 is proven to create an unstable system. I've had all manner of problems, up to and including unforced shutdowns, not even showing a bluescreen (but events in the log similar to what you see after bluescreens). Mary Jo Fowley wrote an article about the exact same issues. A clean installation appears to fix them though. Anyway, MS shouldn't be forcing an upgrade on existing installations. Instead it should help the user create a system image (for unrolling) and then do a clean install.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Slacker007 wrote:
do you do IT/Software for a living or just a hobby
I do web development so mostly concerned with how IIS runs and the browser. But so far Edge (win 10's browser) works mostly like chrome. And chrome often changes things without much notice so I do have to keep up with that. For me, in the long run, it's easier keeping up with the latest version than trying to support 12 different versions of browsers. I'm not saying your complaints are not valid.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
For me, in the long run, it's easier keeping up with the latest version than trying to support 12 different versions of browsers.
Forgive a simple desktop dev for a silly question: Wouldn't it be even easier to just adhere to the web standards? I can think of a few possible reasons but none of them has "use browser-specific stuff" as the best possible solution. Just curious.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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That makes a lot of sense for you, and, presumably, most other web developers, too. It still doesn't change that other devs want a reliable, stable system. Windows 10 is anything but right now. Maybe it will be in a year or so. Even worse, upgrading an existing Windows installation to W10 is proven to create an unstable system. I've had all manner of problems, up to and including unforced shutdowns, not even showing a bluescreen (but events in the log similar to what you see after bluescreens). Mary Jo Fowley wrote an article about the exact same issues. A clean installation appears to fix them though. Anyway, MS shouldn't be forcing an upgrade on existing installations. Instead it should help the user create a system image (for unrolling) and then do a clean install.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
Stefan_Lang wrote:
upgrading an existing Windows installation to W10 is proven to create an unstable system.
Technically, it has not been proven since I upgraded win7 to win10 with no issues. Just saying. ;)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
For me, in the long run, it's easier keeping up with the latest version than trying to support 12 different versions of browsers.
Forgive a simple desktop dev for a silly question: Wouldn't it be even easier to just adhere to the web standards? I can think of a few possible reasons but none of them has "use browser-specific stuff" as the best possible solution. Just curious.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Stefan_Lang wrote:
upgrading an existing Windows installation to W10 is proven to create an unstable system.
Technically, it has not been proven since I upgraded win7 to win10 with no issues. Just saying. ;)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Dunno who proved it. I upgraded my Win7 development machine and have had no problems to speak of. An occasional setting might get scrogged somewhere but nothing that I can remember. It seems fine to me.
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Stefan_Lang wrote:
upgrading an existing Windows installation to W10 is proven to create an unstable system.
Technically, it has not been proven since I upgraded win7 to win10 with no issues. Just saying. ;)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Proven isn't the right word in the mathematical sense, but upgrading Windows to a newer version has always created a less clean system than doing a fresh installation. Even if you did nothing but install Windows upgrades on the previous system, these mess up the registry and probably other parts of the system, leaving dangling remnants and other garbage. Point in case: When I did a fresh Windows installation and all the upgrades in decembre, a registry cleaner tool showed plenty of issues left from those upgrade processes. I haven't bothered to check other parts of the system, but it's obvious there is some big potential for degrading the system. Doing an Upgrade to a new version would not clean up that garbage.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I must be lucky. 0 issues with Windows 10 (and yes, I AM using it.) Too much whining about this topic. :~ Many of those complaining are Microsoft developers. So, do something about it. :^)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I'm not whining about it. I tried Windows 10 and with Classic Shell installed it was pretty much the same as Windows 8.1. However, once I found about the loss of control on updates and the tracking/privacy issues I figured it was time to switch. My laptop has been Mint Linux for months now (and I like it!). My main machine is Win 8.1 but will probably get updated to 10 eventually (just for Games and Photoshop). It will be dual boot (Mint Linux) though so I can do my normal computing on an operating system I control.
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Proven isn't the right word in the mathematical sense, but upgrading Windows to a newer version has always created a less clean system than doing a fresh installation. Even if you did nothing but install Windows upgrades on the previous system, these mess up the registry and probably other parts of the system, leaving dangling remnants and other garbage. Point in case: When I did a fresh Windows installation and all the upgrades in decembre, a registry cleaner tool showed plenty of issues left from those upgrade processes. I haven't bothered to check other parts of the system, but it's obvious there is some big potential for degrading the system. Doing an Upgrade to a new version would not clean up that garbage.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Uncheck the box for treating recommended updates like important updates in your Windows Update settings. If not, it will Auto - Install Windows 10 for you. They say you can still stop the installation, but why bother if you don't have to.