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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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    I do work with VMs for some years and in my experience you need something between 80 to 120 GB to a decent one, that's one you use for work...VMs for test can get on with 20 to 60 GB, depending on the applications you need for the test environment...

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

    "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      I do work with VMs for some years and in my experience you need something between 80 to 120 GB to a decent one, that's one you use for work...VMs for test can get on with 20 to 60 GB, depending on the applications you need for the test environment...

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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      Sander Rossel
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      We have separate test and build servers. Luckily I don't need a VM for that as well. So you have one or two VM's on your machine at a time and everything else on an external disk? Switching is a pain. Especially last week when I got a new VM for a project I was already working on (in an old VM). I couldn't have the old and new environment on my laptop at the same time.

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Lost User
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        I have no idea how much space the company uses on their virtualized environment, but there's never enough space. Personally, 1 Gb is all I need; but I doubt that you can run a modern Visual Studio in such an environment :)

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          Brisingr Aerowing
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          I have a 237 GB SSD for my system drive and a 931 GB HDD that spins up in less than a second for data. All my data is on the regular drive. Even if it has spun down, I notice no delay in accessing anything on it (other than program startup delays, although the SSD does help, some programs just seem to sit there for no reason other than to waste time. I'm looking at you, Visual Studio). No virtual machines, though. I also have a 4TB USB 3.0 external drive that I'm not using right now. I am planning on putting Portable VirtualBox[^] on it with some Linux VMs, though. I got that drive on sale for $50. Seriously. I thought it was a typo, but it wasn't! Normal Price: $398.99. Yeah.

          What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            If it doesn't fit in 640K it ain't worth doing.

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              Marc Clifton
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              The days of 32K (that's "kay") being a ton of memory are long gone. Storage? You mean cassette tapes??? ;) Marc

              Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                We have separate test and build servers. Luckily I don't need a VM for that as well. So you have one or two VM's on your machine at a time and everything else on an external disk? Switching is a pain. Especially last week when I got a new VM for a project I was already working on (in an old VM). I couldn't have the old and new environment on my laptop at the same time.

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                I have 11 VMs at this point - running 2 to 5 concurrently... I'm using seamless mode (I have VirtualBox), so no switching at all... I have a 8 core, 64GB, 320GB SSD, 2TB HDD machine and all on the drivers...The machines are sitting on the SSD, but the data is on the HDD on shared folders, so all can access...External drives are for backup only...

                Sander Rossel wrote:

                I couldn't have the old and new environment on my laptop at the same time.

                Now, that's interesting...I had never problem to run two VMs at the same time...Maybe you share resources in the wrong way...

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  The days of 32K (that's "kay") being a ton of memory are long gone. Storage? You mean cassette tapes??? ;) Marc

                  Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                  That's really interesting...We all got to used for big machines with - theoretically - endless resources...A half a year back I got into a project, using Arduino as the 'brain'...My young companion for the project, never had the experience to see, how much can be put into 32K...He was shocked...

                  Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                  "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                  • L Lost User

                    I have no idea how much space the company uses on their virtualized environment, but there's never enough space. Personally, 1 Gb is all I need; but I doubt that you can run a modern Visual Studio in such an environment :)

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    Personally, 1 Gb is all I need; but I doubt that you can run a modern Visual Studio in such an environment

                    So what's your editor then, Notepad?

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                      I have a 237 GB SSD for my system drive and a 931 GB HDD that spins up in less than a second for data. All my data is on the regular drive. Even if it has spun down, I notice no delay in accessing anything on it (other than program startup delays, although the SSD does help, some programs just seem to sit there for no reason other than to waste time. I'm looking at you, Visual Studio). No virtual machines, though. I also have a 4TB USB 3.0 external drive that I'm not using right now. I am planning on putting Portable VirtualBox[^] on it with some Linux VMs, though. I got that drive on sale for $50. Seriously. I thought it was a typo, but it wasn't! Normal Price: $398.99. Yeah.

                      What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                      Brisingr Aerowing wrote:

                      I got that drive on sale for $50. Seriously. I thought it was a typo, but it wasn't! Normal Price: $398.99. Yeah.

                      Nice! :omg:

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        The days of 32K (that's "kay") being a ton of memory are long gone. Storage? You mean cassette tapes??? ;) Marc

                        Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                        I could probably do with 32K if Visual Studio would fit on that :laugh:

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          Brisingr Aerowing wrote:

                          I got that drive on sale for $50. Seriously. I thought it was a typo, but it wasn't! Normal Price: $398.99. Yeah.

                          Nice! :omg:

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          Brisingr Aerowing
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                          There was a major overstock of them and they needed to be sold. They were sold out by the end of the day.

                          What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            The days of 32K (that's "kay") being a ton of memory are long gone. Storage? You mean cassette tapes??? ;) Marc

                            Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                            Still, I cannot understand why windows need 16Gb, or a printer driver 4Gb, ... I think memory is too cheap, and everybody goes the easy way of not caring about storage space anymore. Long see optimization... I had the secret hope that the requirement of "everything" being "downloadable from our website" would refrain from proposing gb downloads with 4 figures , but it does not seem to be the case. So I had to wait 45min for playing a game loaded on tape 25 years ago, now I have to wait 45min to download the 220Gb of the game I want to play. Where is the improvement? :rolleyes:

                            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                              Personally, 1 Gb is all I need; but I doubt that you can run a modern Visual Studio in such an environment

                              So what's your editor then, Notepad?

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              MonoDevelop :)

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                                Still, I cannot understand why windows need 16Gb, or a printer driver 4Gb, ... I think memory is too cheap, and everybody goes the easy way of not caring about storage space anymore. Long see optimization... I had the secret hope that the requirement of "everything" being "downloadable from our website" would refrain from proposing gb downloads with 4 figures , but it does not seem to be the case. So I had to wait 45min for playing a game loaded on tape 25 years ago, now I have to wait 45min to download the 220Gb of the game I want to play. Where is the improvement? :rolleyes:

                                Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                Rage wrote:

                                220Gb

                                You sure? The unofficial record holder is only around 80GB fully installed with expansion packs.

                                I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  Kirk 10389821
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                                  Wow, I have 2x1TB drives in my LAPTOP. Thinking about leveraging the #3 (tiny one) or upgrading the 1TB to 2TB. Honestly, you can buy 1TB SSD for cheap on amazon <$300 I would upgrade your existing by cloning it, and swapping a 1TB in. It cost you more to COMPLAIN about it :-) Now, the 2TB are pricey at near $900.00 so I understand not going there.

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                                    Wow, I have 2x1TB drives in my LAPTOP. Thinking about leveraging the #3 (tiny one) or upgrading the 1TB to 2TB. Honestly, you can buy 1TB SSD for cheap on amazon <$300 I would upgrade your existing by cloning it, and swapping a 1TB in. It cost you more to COMPLAIN about it :-) Now, the 2TB are pricey at near $900.00 so I understand not going there.

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                                    I'm not buying anything. This is a WORK laptop. If anyone is buying anything it's my boss! :laugh:

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                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      I'm not buying anything. This is a WORK laptop. If anyone is buying anything it's my boss! :laugh:

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      Kirk 10389821
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                                      Sander, Lookup the prices on Amazon. Give them to your boss, ask for the upgrade. If you have the skillset to do the upgrade, offer to do the upgrade on your own time, or after hours. I would be surprised if they did not go for it. I remember EONS ago, I brought in my own SECOND monitor to work. My boss sat down with me, and after 15 minutes, he asked how hard it was to do that for others, himself included! Within a week, even the receptionist (who had a softphone, and needed to email/fax from the pc) had dual monitors. Don't be afraid to ask, but include the WHY. I am sure your boss does not want you feeling stressed or wasting your time WAITING for a response. Or shuffling around large files. It's a relatively small price. Now, if you work in a BIG company, you might be hosed. But I would still try. It can't hurt!

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                                      • K Kirk 10389821

                                        Sander, Lookup the prices on Amazon. Give them to your boss, ask for the upgrade. If you have the skillset to do the upgrade, offer to do the upgrade on your own time, or after hours. I would be surprised if they did not go for it. I remember EONS ago, I brought in my own SECOND monitor to work. My boss sat down with me, and after 15 minutes, he asked how hard it was to do that for others, himself included! Within a week, even the receptionist (who had a softphone, and needed to email/fax from the pc) had dual monitors. Don't be afraid to ask, but include the WHY. I am sure your boss does not want you feeling stressed or wasting your time WAITING for a response. Or shuffling around large files. It's a relatively small price. Now, if you work in a BIG company, you might be hosed. But I would still try. It can't hurt!

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                                        Kirk 10389821 wrote:

                                        I would be surprised if they did not go for it.

                                        Be surprised :D We all swap large files around, even my manager. Ah well, as I understood we're getting new laptops pretty soon anyway.

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          HD memory that is. I currently have 223 GB of SSD memory, which is waaaaaaaay to little for multiple Virtual Machines... :sigh: We've got different customers and projects that all require specific versions of tools and different VPN clients. So virtualization seems the key. It also means I currently have three Windows installs, three Visual Studio installs, two SQL Server Management Studio installs, etc. On a 223 GB machine :(

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          bwallan
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                                          We have 8TB of SSD's installed and feel a storage crunch every week or so when processing a chunk of 4K video, which does love storage... Whenever a crunch occurs we roll SSD storage to hard drive backup. It is, however, nice 1TB SSD's have finally dropped below $200. I'm waiting for the 16TB SSD to arrive at a realistic price, but we'll probably be processing 8K video by then and still be out of space! :( bwa

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