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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

    Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

    Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

    Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

    veni bibi saltavi

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    szukuro
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    To be fair English has some of those weird sentences as well Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo[^]. Also shame on them for leaving the phrase árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép out. :laugh:

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      Hah! Try Welsh place names some day! :laugh:

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      Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch It's pronounced just like it's spelt, I'm told. That's quite a relief... :~

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      I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
      Me, all the time

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      • S szukuro

        To be fair English has some of those weird sentences as well Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo[^]. Also shame on them for leaving the phrase árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép out. :laugh:

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        Gyere, Gyuri, a gyufagyárba, gyertyát gyújtsunk!

        veni bibi saltavi

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          Gyere, Gyuri, a gyufagyárba, gyertyát gyújtsunk!

          veni bibi saltavi

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          Gesundheit! :~

          Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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          The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
          Winston Churchill, 1944
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          I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
          Me, all the time

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            Gesundheit! :~

            Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
            Anonymous
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            The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
            Winston Churchill, 1944
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            I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
            Me, all the time

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            egészségedre!

            veni bibi saltavi

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            • N Nagy Vilmos

              Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

              Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

              Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

              Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

              veni bibi saltavi

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              Hi Nagy, Greets from a country where "mai mai mai mai mai," can mean "new wood doesn't burn, does it ?" Or, "pom ma" can mean "I came/am coming/will come," or "I'm a dog." These choice words from Hungarian are wonderful, could you please record yourself speaking them slowly, and post links to the audio files here :) cheers, Bill

              «In art as in science there is no delight without the detail ... Let me repeat that unless these are thoroughly understood and remembered, all “general ideas” (so easily acquired, so profitably resold) must necessarily remain but worn passports allowing their bearers short cuts from one area of ignorance to another.» Vladimir Nabokov, commentary on translation of “Eugene Onegin.”

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              • N Nagy Vilmos

                egészségedre!

                veni bibi saltavi

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                Johnny J
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                Typical. All other languages have words for "Cheers" that people can actually pronounce when they're sloshed. Leave it to the Hungarians to be different... ;)

                Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
                Anonymous
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                The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
                Winston Churchill, 1944
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                I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
                Me, all the time

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                • B BillWoodruff

                  Hi Nagy, Greets from a country where "mai mai mai mai mai," can mean "new wood doesn't burn, does it ?" Or, "pom ma" can mean "I came/am coming/will come," or "I'm a dog." These choice words from Hungarian are wonderful, could you please record yourself speaking them slowly, and post links to the audio files here :) cheers, Bill

                  «In art as in science there is no delight without the detail ... Let me repeat that unless these are thoroughly understood and remembered, all “general ideas” (so easily acquired, so profitably resold) must necessarily remain but worn passports allowing their bearers short cuts from one area of ignorance to another.» Vladimir Nabokov, commentary on translation of “Eugene Onegin.”

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                  Nagy Vilmos
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                  You'll get a fair idea here[^]; when I try I think I put in too many te's :laugh:

                  veni bibi saltavi

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                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                    Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

                    Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

                    Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

                    Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

                    veni bibi saltavi

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                    I really expected an update to some language or another (C#, Java, C++, what have you) :)

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                    Regards, Sander

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      Surely that should be "Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese e Chrissie Waddel y Ryan Giggs"

                      This space for rent

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                      Scorchio![^] :laugh: :thumbsup:


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                      • N Nagy Vilmos

                        Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

                        Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

                        Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

                        Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

                        veni bibi saltavi

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                        Really Broken Languages - Top of the List is the Frog-Tongue, French. You probably know they don't count above sixty? After that they start with stuff like sixty-ten. No wonder they have to 'protect' the language: it's already on it's deathbed in the modern world.

                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                        "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                          You'll get a fair idea here[^]; when I try I think I put in too many te's :laugh:

                          veni bibi saltavi

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                          Shouldn't that be in Sander's Song of the Week thread. You can dance to it!

                          I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                          • N Nagy Vilmos

                            Loads of exercise, with wellies! :laugh:

                            veni bibi saltavi

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                            This thread is starting to smell like the Soapbox. ;P

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                            • W W Balboos GHB

                              Really Broken Languages - Top of the List is the Frog-Tongue, French. You probably know they don't count above sixty? After that they start with stuff like sixty-ten. No wonder they have to 'protect' the language: it's already on it's deathbed in the modern world.

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              W∴ Balboos wrote:

                              After that they start with stuff like sixty-ten.

                              English 'breaks' after just 12 with three-ten, four-ten etc. What's your point?

                              I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                After that they start with stuff like sixty-ten.

                                English 'breaks' after just 12 with three-ten, four-ten etc. What's your point?

                                I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                W Balboos GHB
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                                Nope. You are in error. It's not broken. The eleven and twelve are throwbacks to a long time tradition. That is related to the unit 'dozen' in that twelve was (and still is) a very convenient unit*. It's also common in other languages, fore example German (elf, zwölf, and then dreizehn, etc.). Besides, there's no real analogy in your reply. We're not talking about the numbers between sixty and seventy - we're talking about the fact that they don't even have seventy (and beyond). * Entire Societies believe this to be rather significant - click this link

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                • N Nagy Vilmos

                                  Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

                                  Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

                                  Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

                                  Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

                                  veni bibi saltavi

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                                  But it has a good beat and you can dance to it.

                                  We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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                                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                                    Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

                                    Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

                                    Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

                                    Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

                                    veni bibi saltavi

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                                    It must be heaven for those who stutter.

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                                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                                      Hungarian is a bloody pain in the situpons. A lovely example of how broken it is is this grammatically and almost sensible sentence:

                                      Miraculous curiosities of the Hungarian language ‹ Daily News Hungary[^]:

                                      Te tetted e tettetett tettet, te tettetett tettek tettese.

                                      Totally ridiculous and means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions." It does get worse, if you read down. :laugh:

                                      veni bibi saltavi

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                                      wizardzz
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                                      Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                      means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions."

                                      So it's used every day by millions then.

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                                      • W W Balboos GHB

                                        Nope. You are in error. It's not broken. The eleven and twelve are throwbacks to a long time tradition. That is related to the unit 'dozen' in that twelve was (and still is) a very convenient unit*. It's also common in other languages, fore example German (elf, zwölf, and then dreizehn, etc.). Besides, there's no real analogy in your reply. We're not talking about the numbers between sixty and seventy - we're talking about the fact that they don't even have seventy (and beyond). * Entire Societies believe this to be rather significant - click this link

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                        they don't even have seventy (and beyond).

                                        Yes they do! You've completely missed the point of my analogy. The naming convention by which 70 is 60+10 in French is exactly the same as the English 3+10 for 13 or the German 9+10 for 19. If you say there is no such thing as a French 70 on that basis then there is no such thing as an English 13 or a German 19 either. And actually no language needs any number beyond 9 anyway, assuming it uses a decimal base and has a word for zero. It may be a tad long winded to do without words for the tens from 20 to 90, 100, 1000 and so on but it doesn't mean the language is in any way inferior or broken. That's just a ridiculous assertion.

                                        I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                          means "You did this pretended action, you, the delinquent of pretended actions."

                                          So it's used every day by millions then.

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                                          wizardzz wrote:

                                          So it's used every day by millions then.

                                          I bet you a horse to a horsefly it comes up in the Oscars! ;)

                                          I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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