Do women have a brain to program?
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It seems still to be the case that girls are socialised to, as a rule, not pursue careers in areas like coding. I've never worked with a female coder, although I keep hoping this place employs one ( because I want to see what all the terminally single guys here do as a result ). I know a lot of guys who are just too plain stupid to ever be able to use a computer, let alone code. All generalisations fall apart at some point, and I don't see any reason why coding ability would be defined along lines of gender. Too bad I missed the thread that started this, it sounds like it would have been fun. I like flaming idiots. :0) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: because I want to see what all the terminally single guys here do as a result ). It's something best not experienced. I've worked with a few women coders, of varying degrees of skill and attraction. There is a small group of ubergeeks who flock to them regardless. And the utter lack of social skill shines through clearly. Currently, an attractive part-time student joined our ranks, and only works two days a week. This one fellow is constantly near her cube on those days (generally he's not be seen), the other turns into johnny-joke-a-minute trying to gain her favor. The contest goes on online too via blogs. It's sad. ** by the way, none of this judging indicates an overabundance of cool or confidence on my part, it's just depressing to see a guy fall apart so quickly ** BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I had mine at 30, which I'm glad for. Over and done with now, so I can just get on with being old. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: I had mine at 30, which I'm glad for. Over and done with now, so I can just get on with being old. Are you sure it's over with? Or was it a precursor, a warm up if you like to the big event yet to come? ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Not in response to the article, but yes, I know that women have the brain to program. I have known several female software engineers in my short time in the industry who are eminently more qualified than I am. To say that a particular gender is incapable of programming is just plain dumb.
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yer women can code they just generally dont want to ;) Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
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yer women can code they just generally dont want to ;) Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
Maunder hits our shores Friday. Should we bother trying to organise another drink with him? Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Maunder hits our shores Friday. Should we bother trying to organise another drink with him? Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
maunder...maunder....hes that bloke who interfers with hampsters and only stays for one drink before piking isnt he? Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
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maunder...maunder....hes that bloke who interfers with hampsters and only stays for one drink before piking isnt he? Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
bryce wrote: maunder...maunder....hes that bloke who interfers with hampsters and only stays for one drink before piking isnt he? That's him. I think we need to find a pub with only the one door. He sits furthest from it and we're between him and it. He pays for all drinks. What do you think of my plan? Oh and no hamsters allowed. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: I had mine at 30, which I'm glad for. Over and done with now, so I can just get on with being old. Are you sure it's over with? Or was it a precursor, a warm up if you like to the big event yet to come? ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Thanks, that's just what I needed..... Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I think it is not about women have a brain to program or not. It is the question of whether women want to do it or not. I know most of my female friends or colleagues do not like to do programming. I think no one in the world born to be incapable in something unless for those who are misfortunate. Or else, everyone has equal chances of being someone great. Just that how much efforts (hard works) have been contributed that make the difference. A genious is great not because he/she is smart but he/she is hardworking.
You've hit the nail on the head there. I can't convince my wife she is as smart as I am, the only reason I can code is that I *want* to. She hates it. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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bryce wrote: maunder...maunder....hes that bloke who interfers with hampsters and only stays for one drink before piking isnt he? That's him. I think we need to find a pub with only the one door. He sits furthest from it and we're between him and it. He pays for all drinks. What do you think of my plan? Oh and no hamsters allowed. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
tomorrow night? i'd hafta check with the boss Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
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tomorrow night? i'd hafta check with the boss Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
bryce wrote: tomorrow night? No I don't think so, I haven't planned anything with Chris yet. I believe that he would fly into Melbourne anyway as that is where his family is. He would then make his way up via Canberra to Sydney. Probably not till after Easter would be my guess. When he contacts me and we organise something I will let you know with as much advance warning as possible. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Thanks, that's just what I needed..... Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Thanks, that's just what I needed..... No worries Christian, you know me any chance to lay the boot in and there I am. :) Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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bryce wrote: tomorrow night? No I don't think so, I haven't planned anything with Chris yet. I believe that he would fly into Melbourne anyway as that is where his family is. He would then make his way up via Canberra to Sydney. Probably not till after Easter would be my guess. When he contacts me and we organise something I will let you know with as much advance warning as possible. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
oh...ok then no worries :) with warning i'm probably allowed out ;) can we do another shady ram deal? Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
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No, I tried to re-program several girls to my likening, but it never worked out as intended. oh.... you meant... ups. Flame me but: In general, no. The "typical", "average" female seems to be less capable of programming than the "typical", "average" male. I can go on reasoning forever, but the point is: most coders are male. I think it would be reverse for training AI's: The male analysing, separating, micro-commanding approach wouldn't work well here. Once AI research gets beyond the turing threshold, I see a bright future for women ;)
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sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: No, I tried to re-program several girls to my likening, but it never worked out as intended. Now, this was funny. But you went and spoilt it with the rest. So the 5 I voted was for the joke and not for the rest of the crap generalism. Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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Right. Consider this. I'm a senior software developer, designer and systems architect within my company. In my previous company (I left for financial reasons in 1998) I was a team leader, dealt extensively with customers (both civil and military) and represented my team in technical meetings up to Board level. I've had to do selling price estimates for multi-million pount contracts, tell directors within the company not to be so bloody stupid and generally stick my neck out to make sure the company adopted a technical solution which worked and gave us a competitive edge. Still think I could do all that without a brain? I may not be aggressive and competitive in the male sense, but I'm proud of the work I've done and am not afraid to tell my own company when something is substandard. Oh yeah - I'm also a trained swordswoman so I suggest you shut your trap now. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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While men and women differ in their biological structure there is absolutely no difference in the structure and working of the brain. The brain is quite gender neutral, not just in human beings, but in the vast majority of animals (perhaps even all of them but my zoological awareness is not good enough to confirm that). So it would be quite ridiculous to claim that men are better programmers than women given the exact same circumstances. But again the key phrase here is “exact same circumstances”. Typically women are under more pressure to perform well for the following reasons (and there might be others I missed) :- (1) The majority of programmers are male and therefore women programmers are not very commonly found and bosses and project managers usually form a negative view point about women programmers (quite unfairly in my opinion) (2) There are quite a number of men who publicly say and probably believe too that women programmers are inferior. Thus there is always extra pressure on women coders because they have to keep proving that they are as good as any male coder. (3) Sometimes the fact of their being female gains greater importance than their programming ability. Given two women – one of them absolutely attractive, smart and intelligent (but just average coder) and the other a plain looking but very good coder – the majority of men would choose the smarter girl even if she is not as hot at coding (4) I am not very sure about this, but the monthly period cycle might have an adverse effect on women for 2-3 days (5) Women who get married and have kids (or have kids without marriage) will find it hard to program 10 hours a day during the last couple of months of their pregnancy and might end up missing something important like say the official launch of Everett (6) Women in their 40s might face menopausal problems which might affect their programming But then again I want to stress that “under the same circumstances” men and women coders will perform at equal output levels. If at all women programmers find it harder than men, then we only have the society to blame, and this is worse in the 3rd world countries than in the US or Europe. So westerners might find some of my comments very confusing Regards and thanks Nish
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Male and Female brains are quite different and this has been the basis of experimental evidence that our brains work in difefrent manners See the following link http://www.genderweb.org/general/whycant.phtml[^]
Hell I thought it was funny .....
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Right. Consider this. I'm a senior software developer, designer and systems architect within my company. In my previous company (I left for financial reasons in 1998) I was a team leader, dealt extensively with customers (both civil and military) and represented my team in technical meetings up to Board level. I've had to do selling price estimates for multi-million pount contracts, tell directors within the company not to be so bloody stupid and generally stick my neck out to make sure the company adopted a technical solution which worked and gave us a competitive edge. Still think I could do all that without a brain? I may not be aggressive and competitive in the male sense, but I'm proud of the work I've done and am not afraid to tell my own company when something is substandard. Oh yeah - I'm also a trained swordswoman so I suggest you shut your trap now. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
Can I sharpen the sword ? Or at least hold the axe ? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease :laugh: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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If you thought about it, you would realise that Anna is the person best qualified to make the comparison, not you ;P The tigress is here :-D
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Hmm.. I thought I was a sexist, but it appears I'm not. I just like sex very much. What's the word for that? :rolleyes: -- In the land of the blind, be king! Some day, Dominion, some say prayers, now I say mine.
Male :laugh: The tigress is here :-D
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oh...ok then no worries :) with warning i'm probably allowed out ;) can we do another shady ram deal? Bryce --- Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitor
bryce wrote: oh...ok then no worries :) with warning i'm probably allowed out :) Good, then I won't have to rock up to your door, slap the missus and say 'Let my mate Bryce out for a drink'. ;P bryce wrote: can we do another shady ram deal? Definitely. Tell me what you want. I'll source it, give you a price and we'll go from there. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Right. Consider this. I'm a senior software developer, designer and systems architect within my company. In my previous company (I left for financial reasons in 1998) I was a team leader, dealt extensively with customers (both civil and military) and represented my team in technical meetings up to Board level. I've had to do selling price estimates for multi-million pount contracts, tell directors within the company not to be so bloody stupid and generally stick my neck out to make sure the company adopted a technical solution which worked and gave us a competitive edge. Still think I could do all that without a brain? I may not be aggressive and competitive in the male sense, but I'm proud of the work I've done and am not afraid to tell my own company when something is substandard. Oh yeah - I'm also a trained swordswoman so I suggest you shut your trap now. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
Andy, you're wholly outside the context of the question, and comparing your desire (as a "woman") to enter a technical field is preposterous. Despite any physical alterations you may have made, you started out life as a male, and you therefore have male cerebral charactersitics. It is a proven scientific fact that *generally*, women are far less likely to enter a technical field than men because their brains simply aren't wired the same (either by choice or by natural selection). It isn't an insult, demeaning, and most certainly isn't sexist to point out that mother nature just works that way. The same thing applies in insurance rates. Ever wondered why females get lower rates? It's because they respond slower than men. Why is that? The neurons don't travel any slower in women than they do in men, but for women, they make a few stops along the way from visual stimulus to physical reaction. The femal brain generally analyes a situation a split second longer than the male brain. Sexist? No. Fact? Yes. The reason goes all the way back to caveman days when men were the hunters and needed to develope good reaction times to avoid being killed by what they considered their dinner. Women were generally not hunters because they lacked the strength to make the kill, so the male and female brain took slightly divergent developmental paths along the road of evolution. Even today, men still "look out" (ever wonder why guys always get up to look out the window when their dog barks at what appears to be nothing?) and generally have a stronger desire to "win at all costs" than women do. As soon as people stop worrying about whether or not women can do the same jobs that men do, and just accept the fact the men and women BOTH do what they excel at regardless of what it is, the sooner we'll all be a lot better off and talking about shit that really matters. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends