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  • J Jacquers

    Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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    Garth J Lancaster
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    how about a Wiki ? Ive also used Confluence & Sharepoint

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      how about a Wiki ? Ive also used Confluence & Sharepoint

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      Confluence looks interesting, I'll check it out, thx.

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      • J Jacquers

        Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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        Midi_Mick
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        At my last place of work, we used Google docs. It worked really well - could even watch (and edit) on your screen as someone else updated from another location. Documents and folders could be open or restricted, and notifications could optionally be sent on updates.

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        • J Jacquers

          Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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          dan sh
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          Here is what we use: 1. SharePoint for document management and version control etc. 2. OneNote (shared one on network) for noting down meeting minutes and other details agreed upon on phone or other communication measures (here too you can see real time updates with who updated what)

          "You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[^]

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          • J Jacquers

            Confluence looks interesting, I'll check it out, thx.

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            GStrad
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            Confluence over sharepoint any time. Sharepoint is a great doc store, but it's wiki features are pants.

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            • J Jacquers

              Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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              BillWoodruff
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              Jacquers wrote:

              The boss decided to use OneNote ... if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. ... I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution

              Shoot the boss.

              «The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. You cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only in such a way that it catches you.» Soren Kierkegaard

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              • J Jacquers

                Confluence looks interesting, I'll check it out, thx.

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                W Balboos GHB
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                We have Confluence, here - it sucks (on a good day). Besides horrid use of resources, it has asinine administrative control. E.g.: with full admin privilege I can't change a user's avatar/photo unless I change their password and log in as them (and now they don't have their password anymore). It's "native" languages are horrid. It's so bad, in fact, that all but the most rudimentary wiki operations are run inside iframe's from a Vertrigo server. Basically, if you want to do anything useful on the wiki, beyond sharing text editing on pages, you'll be working elsewhere and making it appear to be part of the wiki. Oh - yeah - it's derived from an open-source wiki, anyway. And, for the document editing concept, all the Wikis do that and many have wysiwyg interfaces (Moin Moin, for example).

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                • J Jacquers

                  Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  Lotus Notes. <ducks>

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                  • J Jacquers

                    Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    TFS? I create every solution with a _Documents folder and just add any pertinent documents, something like... _Documents _DataBase (scripts, ect) _Includes (external files and assemblies) ProjectX etc., etc. Seems to work well, everything project related in one solution.

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                      TFS? I create every solution with a _Documents folder and just add any pertinent documents, something like... _Documents _DataBase (scripts, ect) _Includes (external files and assemblies) ProjectX etc., etc. Seems to work well, everything project related in one solution.

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                      Jacquers
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                      That could work, but it would still be a bit difficult to know what part of a document was updated or added, unless people have the discipline to add comments when checking them in.

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                      • J Jacquers

                        That could work, but it would still be a bit difficult to know what part of a document was updated or added, unless people have the discipline to add comments when checking them in.

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                        R Giskard Reventlov
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                        Jacquers wrote:

                        unless people have the discipline

                        and therein lies the problem... :)

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                        • J Jacquers

                          Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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                          snorkie
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                          It doesn't matter what you use as much as the fact that everybody uses it! At a previous position, we used a shared OneNote and it was perfect. Everybody used it every time and things were great. My current position uses Confluence. A few people use it, but its the company standard. So we end up with centralized documentation that isn't very complete. So if you get a solution, get buy in from many people and highly encourage people to use it. If they don't, no system will work.

                          Hogan

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                          • J Jacquers

                            That could work, but it would still be a bit difficult to know what part of a document was updated or added, unless people have the discipline to add comments when checking them in.

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                            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                            Differencing or "blame" or "audit" usually work well to find out what changed and who changed it.

                            Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                            • J Jacquers

                              Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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                              Wonde Tadesse
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                              TFS + Diff Doc[^] ( See supporting file types) TFS Integration step Tools -> Options -> Source Control -> Visual Studio Team Foundation Server -> Configure User Tools Extention - .doc,.docx Operation - Compare Command - [installation path]\DiffDoc.exe Arguments - /M%1 /S%2 Very effective ! If you need more apps. Here you go.TFS diff apps[^]

                              When a DataSet.Tables.Count != 0 is BAD ! Wonde Tadesse

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                                Lotus Notes. <ducks>

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                Smite the heretic!

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                                • J Jacquers

                                  Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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                                  Mark_Wallace
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                                  Discipline -- you can get it anywhere. Set up *simple* processes (a History list/table never hurts), and make sure that everyone understands the reasons for following them. Oh, and if anyone even begins to mouth the letters X, M, and L, kick him in the teeth before he gets them all out.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                    TFS + Diff Doc[^] ( See supporting file types) TFS Integration step Tools -> Options -> Source Control -> Visual Studio Team Foundation Server -> Configure User Tools Extention - .doc,.docx Operation - Compare Command - [installation path]\DiffDoc.exe Arguments - /M%1 /S%2 Very effective ! If you need more apps. Here you go.TFS diff apps[^]

                                    When a DataSet.Tables.Count != 0 is BAD ! Wonde Tadesse

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                                    Jacquers
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                                    Thx, Diffdoc seems to answer my question about comparing Word Docs stored in source control.

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                                    • J Jacquers

                                      Our current project, especially the go-live has been a bit rough to say the least. One of the problems is effective document control. The boss decided to use OneNote which works ok, but has some shortcomings. For example, if someone updates the document you don't know what has changed. So, I'd like some suggestions of a document control solution / software. Something that is easy to use, can categorize this, easy to search and has a feature to show you what has been updated / added. Thx :)

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                                      Ravi Bhavnani
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                                      I love Confluence. /ravi

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                                        Lotus Notes. <ducks>

                                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                        sir_download_alot
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                                        You got me laughing but when I look at the alternatives, it isn't so bad at all. However, LotusNotes has lost me long time ago. ;P

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                                          You got me laughing but when I look at the alternatives, it isn't so bad at all. However, LotusNotes has lost me long time ago. ;P

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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          As a document database with version control it isn't that bad at all actually. People think it's a mail system, it isn't. It really sucks big donkey balls at handling mail!

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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