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Sander Rossel wrote:
Except that I don't believe in any of that
Unfortunate for you, belief does not dictate fact.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Unfortunate for you, belief does not dictate fact.
Neither does faith, fortunately!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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regerteast wrote:
Salvation is as simple as believing in Jesus Christ
Then I choose eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell. Except that I don't believe in any of that :D
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Regards, Sander
A criminal could convince himself that the law isn't real. But it is still subject to it. A little rabbit could convince itself that hawks aren't real but that doesn't mean they will leave it alone. God's word says the people being tormented would LOVE the chance to come back and warn you, but if you will not believe the scriptures you would not believe if someone came back from the dead. There are people screaming and flOpping around in very real pain in very real fire who would DO ANYTHING the chance that people alive have to REPENT.
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You're so damn ignorant and wrong it's almost not KSS in and of itself. You do know that when farmers by non-Mansanto hybrid seeds that the seeds they get from their crop will not breed true (as in the case of all hybrids) - and so the difference is moot. Why aren't you complaining about hybrid seed, as well? No one buy's Monsanto's seed, unless they get a financial advantage from it. Just remember, corn that kills corn-borers (with the same pesticide, internally, as organic farmers use) and requires no spraying toxins into the environment is really a big plus. Even a third-world farmer would benefit as he gets a larger crop and doesn't have to put out money for sprays and doesn't have to poison him/her self and family in the process. As for the bees, they're suffering for several reasons. Not just a parasitic disease going around. There are vast areas where there's only a single crop. When they're in bloom, the bees can feast - but then they're all out of bloom for the rest of the summer - and starvation is the rule for the hive. Unfortunately, farming at the level of many small fields of diverse crops would so reduce the food supply as to initiate world-wide starvation as the production of food drops. Basically, like it or not, GMO's are the only way to improve productivity without requiring more land (such as chopping down the rain forests). Another alternative would be for you to give up your animal-burgers so the food isn't wasted fattening them up. Other (more traditional) options are war and pestilence. Myself? I opt for the science that will feed the planet with more and better food.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I opt for the science that will feed the planet with more and better food.
Let me preface this comment with: I agree with you. However, I also understand the concern of all the 'doomcriers' out there, screaming about how GMOs are going to kill us all. They're probably screaming a bit too loudly, but we certainly haven't been using GMOs for long enough to say for certain that they won't cause any long term damage to the human race. Personally, I doubt that they will. There really isn't that much difference between GMOs manufactured in a lab, and those created traditionally through selective breeding. I just hope the scientists haven't overlooked something important about GMOs that nature already takes care of...
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A criminal could convince himself that the law isn't real. But it is still subject to it. A little rabbit could convince itself that hawks aren't real but that doesn't mean they will leave it alone. God's word says the people being tormented would LOVE the chance to come back and warn you, but if you will not believe the scriptures you would not believe if someone came back from the dead. There are people screaming and flOpping around in very real pain in very real fire who would DO ANYTHING the chance that people alive have to REPENT.
A person could make up a God, a heaven, and hell, but that doesn't make it real. It didn't work for any other religion besides Christianity (if I am to believe Christians) and there have been plenty! Such "arguments" go both ways. Anyway, let's leave this discussion because people are never going to agree on politics and religion (and some other stuff too). I wish you all the best in this life and the next (if there so happens to be one, as you believe). As long as you don't hurt others through your actions (or inactions) you're alright to me, no matter what religion you have :)
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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Forogar wrote:
Neither does faith
Exactly true. You cannot have faith and knowledge of the same thing. They don't coexist. So?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I know for a fact that God does not exist. Probably pretty much in the same way that Christians (or any theist) believes their God(s) do exist. We can't really prove each other wrong. I will say this though, IF there is a God and IF he is almighty he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other and ruining the world like we do (and often in his name too) :sigh:
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I know for a fact that God does not exist. Probably pretty much in the same way that Christians (or any theist) believes their God(s) do exist. We can't really prove each other wrong. I will say this though, IF there is a God and IF he is almighty he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other and ruining the world like we do (and often in his name too) :sigh:
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
I know for a fact that God does not exist.
Nope. Facts can be proven. You believe that God does not exist.
Sander Rossel wrote:
We can't really prove each other wrong
Sort of. I can give you steps to find out for yourself if God is real. But really, this is a soapbox discussion.
Sander Rossel wrote:
he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other
You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I know for a fact that God does not exist.
Nope. Facts can be proven. You believe that God does not exist.
Sander Rossel wrote:
We can't really prove each other wrong
Sort of. I can give you steps to find out for yourself if God is real. But really, this is a soapbox discussion.
Sander Rossel wrote:
he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other
You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
Well, I don't think God does anything since he does not exist, but if he does and he is omnipotent then why are we fighting and killing each other (currently in the Middle East, for example)? Surely he knew this would happen, or he made it happen, and he does nothing to stop it. As Epicurus said: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
RyanDev wrote:
Nope. Facts can be proven.
I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence (which is fine by the way, to each his own) :)
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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RyanDev wrote:
You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
Well, I don't think God does anything since he does not exist, but if he does and he is omnipotent then why are we fighting and killing each other (currently in the Middle East, for example)? Surely he knew this would happen, or he made it happen, and he does nothing to stop it. As Epicurus said: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
RyanDev wrote:
Nope. Facts can be proven.
I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence (which is fine by the way, to each his own) :)
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence
Actually, no. I have had experiences in life which have proven to me that God is real. However, god will not force us to believe in him, which means he is not going to appear to you and try to convince you. It is your choice. Each individual has to make the choice and effort to find out if god is real or not. It's your choice.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence
Actually, no. I have had experiences in life which have proven to me that God is real. However, god will not force us to believe in him, which means he is not going to appear to you and try to convince you. It is your choice. Each individual has to make the choice and effort to find out if god is real or not. It's your choice.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
That comparison makes no sense. Kids NEED to go outside, be active, enjoy the sun and fresh air, play, just be kids. Keeping them inside would do more harm then letting them play outside and risk injury (most accidents happen in- and around the house anyway). If I could stop them from getting hurt while living their lives, then yes, I would do so. Unfortunately, I can't. I don't have kids by the way (thank God! I really dislike kids X|).
RyanDev wrote:
which have proven to me that God is real
Which you have interpreted as having to be influenced by some higher power rather than coincidence, luck, unexplained (natural) variables... Many people claim to have seen the hand of, or heard the voice of, God. Nothing is proven, except your willingness to believe in a greater power.
RyanDev wrote:
he is not going to appear to you
Jesus appeared in toast, cereals, and many other items though :) Which, again, doesn't prove the existence of Jesus, but the fantasy of some people. Many people, with many different religions, have claimed their God(s) is/are the only true God(s). I find it all very fascinating, the Romans, the Greek, the Egyptian, the Northern, the Celtic, the Slavonic, the Japanese, the Chinese, and whatever old pantheons have you. And now Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and many variations thereof. They have been the source of idiocy, war and hatred, as well as love and inspiration. They all have one thing in common though, their God(s) is/are the one and only (which is funny when you think about it). Your God is no different, nor is my non-God. Perhaps we can all agree one day, I really hope so. Until that day comes... Let's agree to disagree :)
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
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RyanDev wrote:
Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
That comparison makes no sense. Kids NEED to go outside, be active, enjoy the sun and fresh air, play, just be kids. Keeping them inside would do more harm then letting them play outside and risk injury (most accidents happen in- and around the house anyway). If I could stop them from getting hurt while living their lives, then yes, I would do so. Unfortunately, I can't. I don't have kids by the way (thank God! I really dislike kids X|).
RyanDev wrote:
which have proven to me that God is real
Which you have interpreted as having to be influenced by some higher power rather than coincidence, luck, unexplained (natural) variables... Many people claim to have seen the hand of, or heard the voice of, God. Nothing is proven, except your willingness to believe in a greater power.
RyanDev wrote:
he is not going to appear to you
Jesus appeared in toast, cereals, and many other items though :) Which, again, doesn't prove the existence of Jesus, but the fantasy of some people. Many people, with many different religions, have claimed their God(s) is/are the only true God(s). I find it all very fascinating, the Romans, the Greek, the Egyptian, the Northern, the Celtic, the Slavonic, the Japanese, the Chinese, and whatever old pantheons have you. And now Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and many variations thereof. They have been the source of idiocy, war and hatred, as well as love and inspiration. They all have one thing in common though, their God(s) is/are the one and only (which is funny when you think about it). Your God is no different, nor is my non-God. Perhaps we can all agree one day, I really hope so. Until that day comes... Let's agree to disagree :)
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
