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  • M Marc Clifton

    article[^] Now, who's going to be the first to write an app that ties in your phone's GPS so it knows when you're about to cross a street? At least in New Jersey? :laugh: Marc

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    Is that all? They should be banished to a kingdom far, far away where there are neither roads nor phones! Put on the test run for the Mars colony spaceship perhaps?

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    • M Marc Clifton

      article[^] Now, who's going to be the first to write an app that ties in your phone's GPS so it knows when you're about to cross a street? At least in New Jersey? :laugh: Marc

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      How are they to know if it was texting or web browsing that you were doing on the phone? Crossing the street at all in the presence of Uber drivers is dangerous. Through Dalton, He demonstrated how he runs businesses, writes software, and drives cars madly through traffic lights and into oncoming traffic without wrecking. He can operate at gigahertz frequencies far beyond anything in the human realm. He can take a bullet to its destination. Uber is a company that He can easily exploit, since the authority of management over employees has been usurped.

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      • M Marc Clifton

        article[^] Now, who's going to be the first to write an app that ties in your phone's GPS so it knows when you're about to cross a street? At least in New Jersey? :laugh: Marc

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        15 days in jail? That seems... *barely evades incoming car* ...a little extreme :D

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          15 days in jail? That seems... *barely evades incoming car* ...a little extreme :D

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          Shorter than 6 weeks in hospital. And cheaper. And probably a little less painful.

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            15 days in jail? That seems... *barely evades incoming car* ...a little extreme :D

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            The idea is to break the morons of the habit - and if they actually enforce this thing - it will not result in arrests for very long. Who know - those who are now saved because of this law (yeah, I know keeping them alive flies in the face of natural selection) may even develop enough wit to get a life outside the domain of that little box they worship. Expectations: as no one enforces the law with respect to drivers doing the same thing, it's likely empty legislation.

            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

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              The idea is to break the morons of the habit - and if they actually enforce this thing - it will not result in arrests for very long. Who know - those who are now saved because of this law (yeah, I know keeping them alive flies in the face of natural selection) may even develop enough wit to get a life outside the domain of that little box they worship. Expectations: as no one enforces the law with respect to drivers doing the same thing, it's likely empty legislation.

              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              W∴ Balboos wrote:

              Expectations: as no one enforces the law with respect to drivers doing the same thing, it's likely empty legislation.

              Depends on the country. The UK is fairly hot on it for drivers, with it now being £100 and 3 (of 12) points on your licence. That's if the Police spot you, and whole months go by without me seeing a cop car ... I don't text or even touch my phone while driving - I used to ride motorcycles all the time and am well aware how much a situation can change very, very quickly. Even a moment's inattention can result in an avoidable accident, so texting or phoning while driving is just stupid...

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                W∴ Balboos wrote:

                Expectations: as no one enforces the law with respect to drivers doing the same thing, it's likely empty legislation.

                Depends on the country. The UK is fairly hot on it for drivers, with it now being £100 and 3 (of 12) points on your licence. That's if the Police spot you, and whole months go by without me seeing a cop car ... I don't text or even touch my phone while driving - I used to ride motorcycles all the time and am well aware how much a situation can change very, very quickly. Even a moment's inattention can result in an avoidable accident, so texting or phoning while driving is just stupid...

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                Each US State can (and does) have its own laws with respect to driving, highways speeds, and laws. NY State has been, allegedly, hot on this for years. In reality, however, the cops never do anything about it and in warm weather you can see half the people driving with their hand on their ear (maybe they just have an earache?). To show you that the Albert Einstein tagline I use, below, is ever true, they had to pass a separate law to make it illegal to text while driving. It seems, the phone-monkeys figure that if there was a need to get your attention away from the phone conversations, what was really intended was that you must also stop looking at the road whilst not paying attention. Problem #2: there are a lot of people affluent enough to not care about the fine and will, if necessary, to pay a lawyer to get them off for the times they might actually get caught. A risk, in their income bracket, they're willing to take as part of the cost of self-indulgence. My solution/version of the law would include impounding their phone as evidence, as well. Losing use of the phone would have a much greater impact than taking away their money.

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  Each US State can (and does) have its own laws with respect to driving, highways speeds, and laws. NY State has been, allegedly, hot on this for years. In reality, however, the cops never do anything about it and in warm weather you can see half the people driving with their hand on their ear (maybe they just have an earache?). To show you that the Albert Einstein tagline I use, below, is ever true, they had to pass a separate law to make it illegal to text while driving. It seems, the phone-monkeys figure that if there was a need to get your attention away from the phone conversations, what was really intended was that you must also stop looking at the road whilst not paying attention. Problem #2: there are a lot of people affluent enough to not care about the fine and will, if necessary, to pay a lawyer to get them off for the times they might actually get caught. A risk, in their income bracket, they're willing to take as part of the cost of self-indulgence. My solution/version of the law would include impounding their phone as evidence, as well. Losing use of the phone would have a much greater impact than taking away their money.

                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                  "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  In the UK it adds "points" to your licence. 12 points in (I think) 3 years, and you lose your licence for a while (and your mandatory car insurance skyrockets as a result). Still doesn't stop idiots...

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                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    In the UK it adds "points" to your licence. 12 points in (I think) 3 years, and you lose your licence for a while (and your mandatory car insurance skyrockets as a result). Still doesn't stop idiots...

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                    In the UK you need a license to walk? That's f****** retarded

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      article[^] Now, who's going to be the first to write an app that ties in your phone's GPS so it knows when you're about to cross a street? At least in New Jersey? :laugh: Marc

                      Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                      Dan Neely
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                      I'm sure this will be applied in a completely fair and not abusive manor, and not used as an excuse to stop and search people of groups the police view as more likely to be violating some other laws.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        article[^] Now, who's going to be the first to write an app that ties in your phone's GPS so it knows when you're about to cross a street? At least in New Jersey? :laugh: Marc

                        Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                        I don't see anything that even resembles mention of statistical analysis of the causes of accidents -- i.e. if people doing this has not caused any harm to anyone, then why are they wasting time with it, instead of debating/voting on issues that genuinely affect people's safety? Is there a guillotine on a more important bill that someone is trying to sabotage?

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Shorter than 6 weeks in hospital. And cheaper. And probably a little less painful.

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                          But how many people have been injured whilst crossing a street at a legal time (i.e. when the little man made of lights says it's OK) because of this? If you cross at a legal time and someone hits you with his ridiculously dangerous mode of transport, it's his fault, not yours (and there are existing laws that cover that). The only instances of injuries quoted in the article were: 1. An idjit who was walking on the pavement, and fell into a hole which should have been barricaded for precisely this reason -- nothing to do with the new law, but plenty to do with road workers' Health & Safety regulations. 2. A worse idjit who walked around a railway-crossing barrier -- nothing to do with the new law, but plenty to do with existing ones. Damned if that's good reason for victimising people who are doing nothing wrong. What next? Laws against thinking whilst walking? How much of our taxes are earmarked for the Thought Police budget?

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                            But how many people have been injured whilst crossing a street at a legal time (i.e. when the little man made of lights says it's OK) because of this? If you cross at a legal time and someone hits you with his ridiculously dangerous mode of transport, it's his fault, not yours (and there are existing laws that cover that). The only instances of injuries quoted in the article were: 1. An idjit who was walking on the pavement, and fell into a hole which should have been barricaded for precisely this reason -- nothing to do with the new law, but plenty to do with road workers' Health & Safety regulations. 2. A worse idjit who walked around a railway-crossing barrier -- nothing to do with the new law, but plenty to do with existing ones. Damned if that's good reason for victimising people who are doing nothing wrong. What next? Laws against thinking whilst walking? How much of our taxes are earmarked for the Thought Police budget?

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                            Mark_Wallace wrote:

                            Laws against thinking whilst walking?

                            Not unless your thoughts offend someone, then you must be punished. You musn't have thoughts that offend someone, while walking. Shirley there is a Monty Python skit in there somewhere. :)

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                              I don't see anything that even resembles mention of statistical analysis of the causes of accidents -- i.e. if people doing this has not caused any harm to anyone, then why are they wasting time with it, instead of debating/voting on issues that genuinely affect people's safety? Is there a guillotine on a more important bill that someone is trying to sabotage?

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                              So you'd prefer to wait for someone to actually cause a pile up with multiple deaths and injuries before doing anything to prevent it occurring? As it is there had been an estimated 4000 deaths in the USA directly attributable to attention deficit caused by walking while texting by 2013. It is reasonable to assume that the trend has continued.

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                                So you'd prefer to wait for someone to actually cause a pile up with multiple deaths and injuries before doing anything to prevent it occurring? As it is there had been an estimated 4000 deaths in the USA directly attributable to attention deficit caused by walking while texting by 2013. It is reasonable to assume that the trend has continued.

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                                9082365 wrote:

                                there had been an estimated 4000 deaths in the USA directly attributable to attention deficit caused by walking while texting by 2013

                                Source, please.

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                                  Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                  Laws against thinking whilst walking?

                                  Not unless your thoughts offend someone, then you must be punished. You musn't have thoughts that offend someone, while walking. Shirley there is a Monty Python skit in there somewhere. :)

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                                  Slacker007 wrote:

                                  walking

                                  I hope that wasn't a typo.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    article[^] Now, who's going to be the first to write an app that ties in your phone's GPS so it knows when you're about to cross a street? At least in New Jersey? :laugh: Marc

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                                    Strikes me as ineffective. Change it 15 days paid vacation and $50 award for running over a moron texting while crossing the street. Now that will solve your problem!

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                                      9082365 wrote:

                                      there had been an estimated 4000 deaths in the USA directly attributable to attention deficit caused by walking while texting by 2013

                                      Source, please.

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                                      Report by lead researcher Dr. Beth Ebel, director of the Harborview Injury Prevention and Research Center at the University of Washington in Seattle published in the journal Injury Prevention, December 2012.

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                                        W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                        Expectations: as no one enforces the law with respect to drivers doing the same thing, it's likely empty legislation.

                                        Depends on the country. The UK is fairly hot on it for drivers, with it now being £100 and 3 (of 12) points on your licence. That's if the Police spot you, and whole months go by without me seeing a cop car ... I don't text or even touch my phone while driving - I used to ride motorcycles all the time and am well aware how much a situation can change very, very quickly. Even a moment's inattention can result in an avoidable accident, so texting or phoning while driving is just stupid...

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                                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                                        texting or phoning while driving is just stupid

                                        Meanwhile I hear no one about the radio, or heater, that have been in cars for 10's of years and can be equally distracting!

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                                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                                          texting or phoning while driving is just stupid

                                          Meanwhile I hear no one about the radio, or heater, that have been in cars for 10's of years and can be equally distracting!

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                                          Heater isn't that distracting, and it serves two very useful purposes: i) it helps to demist the windows so drivers can see where they are going... 1) it keeps the extremities warm - which means clearer thinking, better reactions, less distraction, and faster physical movement. I used to ride motorcycles all year round, and heated gloves/grips made a HUGE difference! My left heated gloves failed in a blizzard one night, and by the time I got home I couldn't pull the clutch in! :laugh: And boy did it hurt getting the feeling back... :OMG: Radio can help too - it prevents white line fever, where the driver gets focused on the road and effectively falls into a trance, where they don't even notice other vehicles. It's a good idea to listen to something you don't like took much...

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