Why do people not respect the rules?
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
yes, I wondered if it was just me being sensitive and thought "I'll bite my tongue" - but the post beginning with 'Hello Infidels' is just wrong, anywhere, in my books - it doesnt matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian', there's just so many other ways it can be mis-interpreted
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
PJ Arends wrote:
There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks
I haven't noticed any about sex, but, given that sex is what most people think about for a large proportion of their time, you can expect it to be discussed -- and knee-jerk adherence to rules that go against human nature always ends up in an argument, which is far worse for the group than the occasional mention of sex. The only discussion I've seen here about religion is about a spoof religion -- i.e. not a religion, so discussing it is not discussing religion. Two trolls did try to turn it into an argument about religion, but they were handled. Again, your posting is likely to cause arguments over this, so the only thing likely to do any damage to the group is your posting. Apart from the troll issues, which were dealt with (by both personal attacks, which are well merited, and by "shunning"), I haven't seen any personal attacks -- and when I say that, I mean that statements like "I think you're an idiot" are not personal attacks, as such; they're contextual opinions, and it's how people talk. A personal attack has malice behind it, and any malicious talk needs to be nipped in the but. But discussing opinions, including opinions about the people you are talking to, is not attacking anyone; it is discussing opinions. BTW: Getting on a high horse about rules is more likely to increase malicious behaviour, rather than curb it.
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yes, I wondered if it was just me being sensitive and thought "I'll bite my tongue" - but the post beginning with 'Hello Infidels' is just wrong, anywhere, in my books - it doesnt matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian', there's just so many other ways it can be mis-interpreted
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
the post beginning with 'Hello Infidels' is just wrong
I can't even find that one.
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
it doesnt matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian', there's just so many other ways it can be mis-interpreted
It absolutely does matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian'. You could ban every word in the English (and every other) language, by following the rule you're suggesting. "If a word could be misinterpreted, it is banned from the Lounge!" An entire genre of jokes is about making the listener think/feel one thing, then turning it around, and that is what this was. Or are you saying that we don't just ban every word in the language, but also all jocularity? (I've gotta admit, though, that there have been people whom I wished had been banned from telling jokes, in here)
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PJ Arends wrote:
There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks
I haven't noticed any about sex, but, given that sex is what most people think about for a large proportion of their time, you can expect it to be discussed -- and knee-jerk adherence to rules that go against human nature always ends up in an argument, which is far worse for the group than the occasional mention of sex. The only discussion I've seen here about religion is about a spoof religion -- i.e. not a religion, so discussing it is not discussing religion. Two trolls did try to turn it into an argument about religion, but they were handled. Again, your posting is likely to cause arguments over this, so the only thing likely to do any damage to the group is your posting. Apart from the troll issues, which were dealt with (by both personal attacks, which are well merited, and by "shunning"), I haven't seen any personal attacks -- and when I say that, I mean that statements like "I think you're an idiot" are not personal attacks, as such; they're contextual opinions, and it's how people talk. A personal attack has malice behind it, and any malicious talk needs to be nipped in the but. But discussing opinions, including opinions about the people you are talking to, is not attacking anyone; it is discussing opinions. BTW: Getting on a high horse about rules is more likely to increase malicious behaviour, rather than curb it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
There is a little red flag in the corner of the message. Use it!
<sig notetoself="think of a better signature"> <first>Jim</first> <last>Meadors</last> </sig>
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Stop behaving like a troll, and we'll stop treating you like a troll. Seriously. I could name two currently-contributing members who were dreadful trolls, in past lives. Now they just enjoy the Lounge (despite still pulling the googling in an effort to *win!* thing, now and then). Stop the sht1, and people will stop disliking you.
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There is a little red flag in the corner of the message. Use it!
<sig notetoself="think of a better signature"> <first>Jim</first> <last>Meadors</last> </sig>
Yeah, 'cause that'll encourage people not to be angry or malicious.
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Garth J Lancaster wrote:
the post beginning with 'Hello Infidels' is just wrong
I can't even find that one.
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
it doesnt matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian', there's just so many other ways it can be mis-interpreted
It absolutely does matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian'. You could ban every word in the English (and every other) language, by following the rule you're suggesting. "If a word could be misinterpreted, it is banned from the Lounge!" An entire genre of jokes is about making the listener think/feel one thing, then turning it around, and that is what this was. Or are you saying that we don't just ban every word in the language, but also all jocularity? (I've gotta admit, though, that there have been people whom I wished had been banned from telling jokes, in here)
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Or are you saying that we don't just ban every word in the language, but also all jocularity?
not at all Mark - I agree with PJ, that there's a place here on CP for sex, politics & religion, and thats where some of the recent posts belong
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You could ban every word in the English (and every other) language, by following the rule you're suggesting.
certainly you could, but I wasnt aware I was suggesting 'banning' it or jocularity - its all about context isnt it - in the lounge (context), I'd tolerate a frank, adult, educated discussion on any/all words that others would find inflammatory (but even having a frank/adult/educated discussion wouldnt guarantee that someone else wouldnt take offence :-( )
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Or are you saying that we don't just ban every word in the language, but also all jocularity?
not at all Mark - I agree with PJ, that there's a place here on CP for sex, politics & religion, and thats where some of the recent posts belong
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You could ban every word in the English (and every other) language, by following the rule you're suggesting.
certainly you could, but I wasnt aware I was suggesting 'banning' it or jocularity - its all about context isnt it - in the lounge (context), I'd tolerate a frank, adult, educated discussion on any/all words that others would find inflammatory (but even having a frank/adult/educated discussion wouldnt guarantee that someone else wouldnt take offence :-( )
Well, I doubt that "infidel" is inflammatory to anyone who's watched Carry On movies -- and, since it's a foreign word, wouldn't banning it be racist, unless English synonyms were also banned? Censorship is a can of worms that we really should avoid opening. This group is global. If you start letting everyone introduce (and probably cause fights about) words that go against their religious and/or political preferences, we really will have few words left to use. ... But there would be no-one coming here to use them, so I suppose it's yin-yangy enough. I don't use words that offend me, obviously, but if I inadvertently use a word that offends you, Fred in Dubrovnik, Charlie in Patagonia, or John-Boy in Japan, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Good example, here: An American in another group (must be over 20 years ago, now) decided to take a poke at me for using the word "Chinaman". I had to point out to him that I was an Englishman, who lived West of the Dutchmen, East of the Welshmen and Irishmen, North of the Frenchmen, and South of the Scotsmen -- and that his people's mistreatment of several immigrant races, and the verbal taboos that ensued from it, had **** all to do with me. BanningWords==badIdea // IMO
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Well, I doubt that "infidel" is inflammatory to anyone who's watched Carry On movies -- and, since it's a foreign word, wouldn't banning it be racist, unless English synonyms were also banned? Censorship is a can of worms that we really should avoid opening. This group is global. If you start letting everyone introduce (and probably cause fights about) words that go against their religious and/or political preferences, we really will have few words left to use. ... But there would be no-one coming here to use them, so I suppose it's yin-yangy enough. I don't use words that offend me, obviously, but if I inadvertently use a word that offends you, Fred in Dubrovnik, Charlie in Patagonia, or John-Boy in Japan, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Good example, here: An American in another group (must be over 20 years ago, now) decided to take a poke at me for using the word "Chinaman". I had to point out to him that I was an Englishman, who lived West of the Dutchmen, East of the Welshmen and Irishmen, North of the Frenchmen, and South of the Scotsmen -- and that his people's mistreatment of several immigrant races, and the verbal taboos that ensued from it, had **** all to do with me. BanningWords==badIdea // IMO
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yep, its a can of worms mate - I guess Im just suggesting 'be careful, lest fights start' - not banning
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yes, I wondered if it was just me being sensitive and thought "I'll bite my tongue" - but the post beginning with 'Hello Infidels' is just wrong, anywhere, in my books - it doesnt matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian', there's just so many other ways it can be mis-interpreted
You mean it got your hackles up and now you are pissed off that it turned out to be a false alarm. :-D
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzsche
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
I have got to apologise for the Flying Spaghetti Monster posting, I thought I was posting an amusing bit of news and did not consider the religious angle relevant. Actually I did not consider the religious angle at all! And you are correct it should have been posted in the SB.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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yes, I wondered if it was just me being sensitive and thought "I'll bite my tongue" - but the post beginning with 'Hello Infidels' is just wrong, anywhere, in my books - it doesnt matter that the poster probably has used that to mean 'unbeliever of Pastafarian', there's just so many other ways it can be mis-interpreted
Why do some people here remind me characters from from "Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle" :laugh:
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzsche
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M Sukhdeep wrote:
But if you would stop being a Mike Hunt, I wouldn't need to piss in your cornflakes. Plus, you being able to gargle such a viscous liquid is quite impressive.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I have got to apologise for the Flying Spaghetti Monster posting, I thought I was posting an amusing bit of news and did not consider the religious angle relevant. Actually I did not consider the religious angle at all! And you are correct it should have been posted in the SB.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I have got to apologise for the Flying Spaghetti Monster posting, I thought I was posting an amusing bit of news and did not consider the religious angle relevant. Actually I did not consider the religious angle at all! And you are correct it should have been posted in the SB.
Bullshit. It was and still is a fine post. Some people taking the piss and enjoying life. I didn't even click through as I basically knew what it was about. I did click through the responses as there is generally some good and funny responses to read. Unfortunately the god botherers turned up, spoilt it for all and as always I couldn't walk away from stupid. Not sorry and it was Sunday morning so sober as I took the daughter to soccer.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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At top of the lounge is a sticky post that states some rules for posting in the lounge. In the last little while it seems that the rules have gone out the window. There have been discussions about sex and religion and blatant personal attacks. The worse is that this comes from long time members who should know better. The powers that be have provided a forum for discussing sex and religion and the personal attacks are not suppose to be here at all.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
I haven't been around here lately, except to drop in briefly, but I haven't seen anything a bit offensive in the Lounge, Pete. I know you're not an alarmist, so I'm wondering what I missed. The Lounge has always welcomed humor and especially satire, if such is presented in a tasteful manner, without personal rancor. I haven't spotted anything that exceeds the bounds of propriety lately. But if it's happening, then I agree completely that such posts belong in the Soapbox.
Will Rogers never met me.
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You mean it got your hackles up and now you are pissed off that it turned out to be a false alarm. :-D
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzsche
hah ! - 'you wish' and 'not at all' - all Im suggesting is if people didnt see that your post was intended as humorous, there would be all out war, and thus there's a need for 'care'
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I have got to apologise for the Flying Spaghetti Monster posting, I thought I was posting an amusing bit of news and did not consider the religious angle relevant. Actually I did not consider the religious angle at all! And you are correct it should have been posted in the SB.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it should have been posted in the SB
I'd disagree - it was a good and innocuous post. Funny as well. It became SB material only when it was hijacked by Our Resident Troll. You aren't responsible for what anyone else does with your thread - and if the troll hadn't been fed, it wouldn't have been a problem at all.
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